All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
No that is 1/2 of the game after halftime.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The overlooked one will be Ardie
We had them on the rack and were showing patience and he tries to bulldoze through 3 or 4 Wallabies - predictably he is held up and it's a goal line drop out.
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
He's an awesome player but I was at the ground and that all took place near me. I couldn't believe they didn't pass from the ruck. It was a brain melt and a blown try for sure, especially now you don't get the 5m scrum for being held up.
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My thoughts: what a weird game.
It felt like watching the Wallabies vs Georgia, except the ABs were the Wallabies and we were Georgia. A few soft early scores and the foot was clearly taken off the gas.
Then the plucky minnows rally and for a while you think 'well at least they are making a game of it' until it starts to get a little too close. You keep kicking to the corners instead of taking the points. You're still throwing flick passes but the game is still fkn alive. Just kill the bastards.
And now you're giving away dumb penalties, and they start to get a bit of self belief. 'They couldn't win this' becomes 'oh god they might actually win this' until you just hang on and think 'by god how did they almost win that'.
Credit to our blokes for showing a bit of ticker but the ABs blew at least four rolled gold tries and should have won by 30.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
It's one of the reasons I like this rule. If you play too narrow or are selfish (like Savea) you look even more stupid being held up. Usually there is space out wide which is ignored.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
It's one of the reasons I like this rule. If you play too narrow or are selfish (like Savea) you look even more stupid being held up. Usually there is space out wide which is ignored.
I 100% agree.
It's much better than old rule where the ball would be stuck in a cycle of held up - scrum - held up.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
There’s something wrong with the mental aspect of what’s happening in the last 20. It’s not necessarily a “plan”. Fear, desire, lack of confidence, trying too hard even, is leading to errors, poor execution and decision making.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
There’s something wrong with the mental aspect of what’s happening in the last 20. It’s not necessarily a “plan”. Fear, desire, lack of confidence, trying too hard even, is leading to errors, poor execution and decision making.
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@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Sorry aussies - that sounds really arrogant even to myself.
Fuck oath it does ya drongo!
But it does... I've genuinely got that empty feeling that comes with a loss.
The emptiness you have is the naggig feeling that NZ Rugby is going backwards despite the wins continuing and the smiles on the faces of those lifting a trophy they retained by 3 points.
You're looking back at the halcyon days of your all-time best team and wondering when that will return.
And then you look forward, and see a shrinking footprint where money appears to be the only motivator in a system that is refusing to change anywhere but the top level.
You're wondering if it can be fixed.
I know that feeling because I've been thinking that for ~15 years now, looking at the Wallabies side that couldn't stop tripping over wins thanks mainly to the intersection of ridiculously experienced and capable talent and management.
The fix is to actually look at the whole pathway, but while our professional and grassroots games are separated in such a fashion, and schools rugby is allowed to run its own race, and nobody thinks anything is wrong, this decay will continue.
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@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
No idea what you're talking about....
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I've started doing crosswords to ward off dementia
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought.
Well, if this year has done anything, it's comprehensively dispelled the myth that NZ has all the cattle, all is fine in NZ rugby land and all that was needed to restore balance to the universe (AKA AB's at No.1) was to change the Head Coach. This is a good thing.
There are some good signs with newer players slotting in really well and others brought into the team in the last 2 years or so, maturing and stepping up, but most of the old problems - focus, maturity, on-field leadership, discipline at key moments - are still there and, frankly, don't look close to be resolved or seem to be getting worse.
Robertson and co. can tell us "a win, is a win is a win" but the lack of progress or backwards direction in those latter, crucial things is really worrying. Really need an acknowledgement and focus there.
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The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
It would have changed this thread for sure. It started off as this game is so shit because we're walking over them and they suck, then moved to this game is so shit because we're not walking over them and we suck.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
