All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Sorry aussies - that sounds really arrogant even to myself.
Fuck oath it does ya drongo!
But it does... I've genuinely got that empty feeling that comes with a loss.
The emptiness you have is the naggig feeling that NZ Rugby is going backwards despite the wins continuing and the smiles on the faces of those lifting a trophy they retained by 3 points.
You're looking back at the halcyon days of your all-time best team and wondering when that will return.
And then you look forward, and see a shrinking footprint where money appears to be the only motivator in a system that is refusing to change anywhere but the top level.
You're wondering if it can be fixed.
I know that feeling because I've been thinking that for ~15 years now, looking at the Wallabies side that couldn't stop tripping over wins thanks mainly to the intersection of ridiculously experienced and capable talent and management.
The fix is to actually look at the whole pathway, but while our professional and grassroots games are separated in such a fashion, and schools rugby is allowed to run its own race, and nobody thinks anything is wrong, this decay will continue.
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@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
No idea what you're talking about....
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I've started doing crosswords to ward off dementia
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought.
Well, if this year has done anything, it's comprehensively dispelled the myth that NZ has all the cattle, all is fine in NZ rugby land and all that was needed to restore balance to the universe (AKA AB's at No.1) was to change the Head Coach. This is a good thing.
There are some good signs with newer players slotting in really well and others brought into the team in the last 2 years or so, maturing and stepping up, but most of the old problems - focus, maturity, on-field leadership, discipline at key moments - are still there and, frankly, don't look close to be resolved or seem to be getting worse.
Robertson and co. can tell us "a win, is a win is a win" but the lack of progress or backwards direction in those latter, crucial things is really worrying. Really need an acknowledgement and focus there.
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The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
It would have changed this thread for sure. It started off as this game is so shit because we're walking over them and they suck, then moved to this game is so shit because we're not walking over them and we suck.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
I seem to recall it was a feature of Foster's teams as well.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
I must have missed that, which is entirely possible because I was eating at the time. The replays I saw were inconclusive.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
It never hit the ground or anyone else. Reece did a good job of recovering the ball. If they continue to screw up like this, a Captain's challenge system is called for
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That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
Which players are in worse form than when they played Super Rugby? Most seem to be on par or in better form now.
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Sevu Reece
Scott Barrett (when he played)
Aumua
Jordie to an extentA big problem is the guys who didn't even play.
And form players not picked
