All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The big headline is Razor 'we found a way' oh how awesome 'found a way' to not throw away a lead of 21. You must be so proud. Cock
Never met the guy and never will, but yeah, he does come across as a cock in his press conferences.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
I might be a bit old school but I preferred the grumpy old man approach after a below par performance, like Ted and shag would give it ,
call it what it is not sugar coat it .
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I agree that the players don't seem up to sustaining the game plan but the bench mismanagement doesn't help.
I'd like to see Tuipulotu at least back on the bench for leadership and impact.
If Vaa'i is now the best lock they need to consider bringing off the captain like SA do.
They could also consider an up the middle game plan from the bench players - aiming to maintain possession after the initial burst of points from the starting XV.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I agree that the players don't seem up to sustaining the game plan but the bench mismanagement doesn't help.
I'd like to see Tuipulotu at least back on the bench for leadership and impact.
If Vaa'i is now the best lock they need to consider bringing off the captain like SA do.
They could also consider an up the middle game plan from the bench players - aiming to maintain possession after the initial burst of points from the starting XV.
Tuipulotu has never provided that in the past - what makes you think he can now?
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He was good in both English tests this year.
He's played 45 tests with a win rate of 80% over 3 coaching regimes.
He offers far more leadership and experience than Darry or Lord.
He also offers go forward up the middle which is something we are desperately missing in the tight five and something neither Darry or Lord offer to the same level.
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ABs in Razor’s mind:
ABs in reality…
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
He was good in both English tests this year.
He's played 45 tests with a win rate of 80% over 3 coaching regimes.
He offers far more leadership and experience than Darry or Lord.
He also offers go forward up the middle which is something we are desperately missing in the tight five and something neither Darry or Lord offer to the same level.
He was good in the first game. He regressed back to his normal level in the second match. He's been the least effective carrier of the four locks who've had proper minutes this year.
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Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
But somebody else needs to give the halftime speeches, DMac should have had a blasting for crap pass no 1 so he didn't go crap pass no 2, same with Ioane, EdG should have been replaced earlier (T Williams still looks solid to me but EdG doesn't look match fit), and for whatever reason Aumua is playing worse and worse.
Glad to see our lineouts were a weapon but surprised they didn't try to have more of them. -
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nta will be gutted he missed that comeback, especially when you consider he’s gone to watch a band who’s sole claim to fame is a shitty cover of ‘Black Betty’
Exactly what I'd expect from someone who only listens to Top 40 radio.
You know that’s not true. Terrible trolling.
If the cap fits ... Plus I was just returning the favour on the terrible trolling.
Fucking awesome show I might add
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
Whoever plays 10 needs to exert some control. We are attacking well but need to manage things more tactically than we are right now. It's early for SB, as others have said about GOAT, he took a while to become the captain we remember
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De Groot and Lomax offer nothing in terms of carry go forward.
They've averaged 0.5 metres and 0.4 metres per carry between them. Taylor is only making metres out wide and also offers little up the middle.
Ratima has been up and down.
It doesn't matter who the first five is if the forwards lack the ability to set up a platform through phase play.
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Had those three passes from Dmac stuck / been judged ok, I think it would likely be considered his ‘coming of age’ test.
He needs a good kicking for the first one which was just dumb, the second was partly him, partly that’s a fucking hard pass to get right at that speed, and partly his support giving him even less chance for error. The third was just bad luck - he was hit and just couldn’t quite get rid of it. On the overhead angle there wasn’t much in it at all - I wondered whether they would let it stand until we saw the side on.
As a chiefs fan, it feels very much like a game where so much of our attack is dependent on him (and Ratima) that I cant really blame him for the miracle plays that don’t come off. They were the drivers of almost everything that went right.
His clearances, goal kicking, and general passing were good (one pass to WJ excepted) and if he can improve his execution when it counts I think we are in great shape.
My personal feeling is that all of this is happening three years too late, but I’m not concerned that he is the problem. I do feel that he and WJ don’t make an obvious pair - Jordan’s game feels so much better at 14 where he can still make breaks like yesterday or against Ireland. His positioning at times yesterday was criminal, Dmac would be much better with a more assertive actual international fullback. However, hopefully Jordan will grow into it too.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
