All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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“It’s a fair question, we didn’t finish that game as well as we could have, it was talked about in our review and we have got some younger men starting their Test careers as well,” Assistant coach Jason Ryan
What utter bullshit, who were or best players? Sititi, Ratima, and Vai. Hardly test legends, so it's nothing to do with number of caps as it our more experienced players letting us down. It's a coaching team with is head in the sand over the actual performances of experienced players, and the requirements of modern test rugby
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@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I suppose it's historic for Surf Features himself to not be on the losing end of a Bledisloe campaign...
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I suppose it's historic for Surf Features himself to not be on the losing end of a Bledisloe campaign...
I’m surprised the celebrity coach didn’t do a breakdance
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I suppose it's historic for Surf Features himself to not be on the losing end of a Bledisloe campaign...
I’m surprised the celebrity coach didn’t do a breakdance
The dummy public would still get behind him and tell him what a hero he is.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The big headline is Razor 'we found a way' oh how awesome 'found a way' to not throw away a lead of 21. You must be so proud. Cock
Never met the guy and never will, but yeah, he does come across as a cock in his press conferences.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
I might be a bit old school but I preferred the grumpy old man approach after a below par performance, like Ted and shag would give it ,
call it what it is not sugar coat it .
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I agree that the players don't seem up to sustaining the game plan but the bench mismanagement doesn't help.
I'd like to see Tuipulotu at least back on the bench for leadership and impact.
If Vaa'i is now the best lock they need to consider bringing off the captain like SA do.
They could also consider an up the middle game plan from the bench players - aiming to maintain possession after the initial burst of points from the starting XV.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I agree that the players don't seem up to sustaining the game plan but the bench mismanagement doesn't help.
I'd like to see Tuipulotu at least back on the bench for leadership and impact.
If Vaa'i is now the best lock they need to consider bringing off the captain like SA do.
They could also consider an up the middle game plan from the bench players - aiming to maintain possession after the initial burst of points from the starting XV.
Tuipulotu has never provided that in the past - what makes you think he can now?
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He was good in both English tests this year.
He's played 45 tests with a win rate of 80% over 3 coaching regimes.
He offers far more leadership and experience than Darry or Lord.
He also offers go forward up the middle which is something we are desperately missing in the tight five and something neither Darry or Lord offer to the same level.
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ABs in Razor’s mind:
ABs in reality…
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
He was good in both English tests this year.
He's played 45 tests with a win rate of 80% over 3 coaching regimes.
He offers far more leadership and experience than Darry or Lord.
He also offers go forward up the middle which is something we are desperately missing in the tight five and something neither Darry or Lord offer to the same level.
He was good in the first game. He regressed back to his normal level in the second match. He's been the least effective carrier of the four locks who've had proper minutes this year.
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Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
But somebody else needs to give the halftime speeches, DMac should have had a blasting for crap pass no 1 so he didn't go crap pass no 2, same with Ioane, EdG should have been replaced earlier (T Williams still looks solid to me but EdG doesn't look match fit), and for whatever reason Aumua is playing worse and worse.
Glad to see our lineouts were a weapon but surprised they didn't try to have more of them. -
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
