Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@Frank said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@junior I don't think anyone here has been looking at the Boks and going "wow, what a backline! Imagine if they had Aaron Mauger too!". So it's a bit odd to stamp a mark in the ground about them being overrated.
They're no mugs, but.
Not sure why Mauger is getting mentioned. Weird.
But speaking of 2003 I wouldn’t pick a single All Black in a combined 15…..there, that should do it
Mauger, sensational player.
I see your Aaron Mauger and raise you a Lee Stensness.
Jason O'Halloran
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@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'm normally a glass half full supporter, but I've not been impressed by this coaching group. Their selections seem more geared to a Super Rugby level than the realities of Test level.
I think we are in for a bit of a lesson.
Seems to be coaching on vibes.
Id want to be seeing some dry powder unveiled and soon.
Serious stench of emperors clothes off the whole thing at the moment, with 2 games against the Boks, Ireland, England and France all to come.
Could get ugly.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'm normally a glass half full supporter, but I've not been impressed by this coaching group. Their selections seem more geared to a Super Rugby level than the realities of Test level.
I think we are in for a bit of a lesson.
Seems to be coaching on vibes.
Id want to be seeing some dry powder unveiled and soon.
Serious stench of emperors clothes off the whole thing at the moment, with 2 games against the Boks, Ireland, England and France all to come.
Could get ugly.
Dry powder is bollocks. We are playing how we are playing g and that’s it
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Kirwan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'm normally a glass half full supporter, but I've not been impressed by this coaching group. Their selections seem more geared to a Super Rugby level than the realities of Test level.
I think we are in for a bit of a lesson.
Seems to be coaching on vibes.
Id want to be seeing some dry powder unveiled and soon.
Serious stench of emperors clothes off the whole thing at the moment, with 2 games against the Boks, Ireland, England and France all to come.
Could get ugly.
Plenty of All Black teams have gone over there as underdogs and have played above themselves.
This team needs to do that. Find that something extra to lift their performance and win it. It’s their time to do this.
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I’ve really got no idea what to expect , usually I have a gut feel on where we are at , a good display or a poor one probably wouldn’t shock me either way .
I’m not saying we have been terrible, probably more unconvincing.
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Come on Razor you got this.
Lets go.
Pork shoulder joint in the slow cooker already, 10 hours on low.
Work tomorrow am
AB cap on midday.
Saturday afternoon nervous watch TJP doing haka
Eat Pork
Apparently Alien mark? tomorrow night Odeon.
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Now that the niceties are over, it's time to give the Springboks their medicine
The All Blacks came with a bold game plan that day that hopefully Scott Robertson and his coaching staff remember.
Not much in this article.. it does discuss the possession based game plan that was successful last time these two played at Ellis Park.
Is that what the AB's go for again? Do the forwards have enough ball runners to play this way? What about the contact work and accuracy of the breakdown?
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@Duluth said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Now that the niceties are over, it's time to give the Springboks their medicine
The All Blacks came with a bold game plan that day that hopefully Scott Robertson and his coaching staff remember.
Not much in this article.. it does discuss the possession based game plan that was successful last time these two played at Ellis Park.
Is that what the AB's go for again? Do the forwards have enough ball runners to play this way? What about the contact work and accuracy of the breakdown?
Not only that, they believe we’ve got ample evidence that Super Rugby is responsible for the Wallabies and All Blacks demise and how Europe has made the Springboks that much better.
In Ben's mind, the All Blacks are still #1. Good for him, and there's a good chance they will win tomorrow. But in the article he comes across as a bitter man.
The springboks are a different team with a different coach since the last time these two met. It's going to be fascinating to watch. -
Turns out Ian Foster actually never lost a Rugby Championship
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@Duluth said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Now that the niceties are over, it's time to give the Springboks their medicine
The All Blacks came with a bold game plan that day that hopefully Scott Robertson and his coaching staff remember.
Not much in this article.. it does discuss the possession based game plan that was successful last time these two played at Ellis Park.
Is that what the AB's go for again? Do the forwards have enough ball runners to play this way? What about the contact work and accuracy of the breakdown?
I do like the idea that Razor would copy Foster to register a crucial win.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Serious stench of emperors clothes off the whole thing at the moment, with 2 games against the Boks, Ireland, England and France all to come.
Putting aside some of the loony hype around Robertson, it's too early to tell. So far there hasn't been much change and the old problems still seem to be there (esp the forwards) but I don't think we'll be able to see how things are working out until the EOYT.
I just hope Robertson manages to get some breathing space to develop things rather than finding himself with his back against the wall constantly needing to bounce back from a loss and win the next game at all costs.
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@Machpants which seems fair enough considering the hype around Razor in Foster's last couple of years.
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@Victor-Meldrew personally, I think the issue the ABs face is a systemic one. When they were dominant between 2005 to 2016/7, the ABs trained the players to be explosive and athletic. Not as much time spent in the gym becoming inflexible. This suited the laws as they were implemented at the time (for the most part).
Fast forward to the last 6 years, and look at the teams that have been in the ascendancy - SA, Ireland and France. Of these, the Irish are probably most like the ABs in terms of how the players are conditioned, but they have selected more big ball carriers than the ABs in certain positions (front row, no 8, 12) that has allowed them to control the gainline, IMO.
SA have de Allende and Esterhuizen at 12. France have a queue of large juggernauts at 12.
I like Jordie Barrett, but he is no Nonu, or SBW. Yet at least.
The ABs under McCaw had a strong scrum, were ultra efficient at line out time and collectively strong when competing at the breakdown to provide lightning fast ball in the early phases of possession to stress defences (yes, even rush defences a la Boks under White). The forwards sometimes gained ascendancy, but more often tied up opposing forward packs to allow the potency of their back line to wreak havoc. I think the current crop of AB forwards are capable of the same. Question is, can the back line use the ball and space they are provided with well enough? If not, the drums will beat louder for more power runners up front which will require a change of personnel and/or a change of conditioning for the players to be less athletic and more powerful.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants which seems fair enough considering the hype around Razor in Foster's last couple of years.
The hype around Razor was beause Foster was so shit, obvs he wants the ABs to lose so he can crow - that is Grade A fluffybunny material.
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@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants which seems fair enough considering the hype around Razor in Foster's last couple of years.
The hype around Razor was beause Foster was so shit, obvs he wants the ABs to lose so he can crow - that is Grade A fluffybunny material.
You seem to be taking it a lot more seriously and reading a lot more info it than I did.
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Machpants which seems fair enough considering the hype around Razor in Foster's last couple of years.
The hype around Razor was beause Foster was so shit, obvs he wants the ABs to lose so he can crow - that is Grade A fluffybunny material.
You seem to be taking it a lot more seriously and reading a lot more info it than I did.
First ten times I was ho ho ho good point, however for a guy with fuck all posts, and most of them are about this, it is getting on my tits
