Springboks vs All Blacks I
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Recently, the narratives against certain players are just so stupid and repetitive despite what happens on the field. You can predict what certain posters will say regardless. A loss just gives them a more gleeful vibe. Knobhead behaviour.
Anyway, really good game. Was the ref bad? That depends on whether your team wins or not but anyone saying homeground advantage doesn't affect the ref are kidding themselves. This ref needs to self-reflect.
I think the ABs are progressing which is nice to see after 6 years of stagnation. The Boks are a very good team with some once-in-a-lifetime players. They win "the moments" that count. We as AB supporters are now feeling the same frustrations of the Bok supporters when McCaw , Carter, etc. were in full swing.
Onwards and upwards! Will take a little more time and probably some more pain but we'll get there! -
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
The tight forwards looked good to me, would slip Ofa off the bench and welcome back the Groot but it is what it is.
But BB had another blah game, Ioane needs to recover his attacking mojo, and I'm still not convinced on Mark T, can he jump in the air, can he keep up? A weapon if he is back to 100%Loosies for me, Cane was doing ok but overall they are too slow and not dangerous. I'd be tempted to bench Ardie and find a faster player at 6 or 7 (Lakai?) I agree there is a height problem but note if Cane was at 6 he'd lose a cm against EB. Going by stats. And plays like a 6. I do note Matfield praised EB's meddling against the Argie lineout but EB just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in hand.
Ardie is not going to be benched. We get these wistful hopeful posts every game he plays. Not going to happen.
Not every game from me. He's had better games.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack
We can all see we are improving.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
cat and mouse game of getting the conversion done before a review is called.
I thought that was dispensed with? Can be anytime until kick off I thought.
This. Thought that was clarified.
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@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
Jesus, Smuts! That is some serious display of mental gymnastics there! Don't defend the undefendable, deflection by mentioning a decision against the Boks works much better.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
How do say "troll" in Afrikaaans??
Just own it and say you got away with one. That call and action from the ref, but more importantly the TMO was the very definition of a clanger, an up the Wahs level clanger
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
Big screen, collective sigh then silence from 50,000 Ellis Park supporters as Mbonambi drops the ball before the line doesn't support your argument.
Forgive me I'm feeling sore.
- ABs v SA we play terrible but also get whistled off the park by the referee Twickenham 2023
- ABs v SA WC final horrible game , officials / TMO dominate the game.
- ABs v SA Ellis Park I get my hopes up cos we play very well then inconsistent officiating influences the game. Not disputing SA played awesome in last 15 minutes.
SA are a great side, one of the best ever.
I would chew my right arm off to replay that with someone like Angus Gardner on the whistle. Great feel for the game.
See Twickenham 2023 above for the referee in the next game at Cape Town.
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@DMX said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Clarke was, very good but can someone teach him to stay on his feet? Soft ankle tap cost us 2 points right there. Will Jordan, good wing but no test full back despite BB having worst game this season, no need to change back three. I think Razor screwed up not having Proctor on bench after Fiji, imho Jordon/Proctor are the future. Loosies tough, don’t think they should have chosen both Jackobsen and Sititi, really limits options. That said Razor learning same thing as last two coaches, no one is pushing Ardie for his spot.
DMac would normally nail two points from where Clarke scored
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@BerniesCorner you’re forgiven.
We’ve all been sore.
But Brace wasn’t the reason you lost that game. In fact, viewed fairly he kept you in the game for the first 60.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
Now you are just being a dick.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
Actually, I was trying to avoid a tit-for-tat on could've - would've...
If you want examples I'll give you two:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
Sam Cane breaking Kolisi's cheek with his head in the tackle - definite yellow, likely red card...So no - not a cliche. We can argue who got more bad calls till the cows come home, point being some shockers against the Boks too and the ref did not cost the AB's the game. Poor game management and running out of puff in the last 10... maybe look there?
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner you’re forgiven.
We’ve all been sore.
But Brace wasn’t the reason you lost that game. In fact, viewed fairly he kept you in the game for the first 60.
1 But Brace wasn’t the reason you lost that game.
-that is possible
2 In fact, viewed fairly he kept you in the game for the first 60.
-that is hard to believe. -
Smuts your response is inventive and incorrect.
I've done the video analysis 7 times JBs arm hits the ball carrying arm of Mbonambi at the elbow initially. Mbonambi's arm travels backwards still holding the ball. When the ball hits Mbonambi's head he drops it.
I just did the TMO's job.
It's all here
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350399046/watch-springboks-hooker-awarded-controversial-try-against-all-blacks -
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Pretty disappointing. We had that game but indiscipline and unforced errors handed it to them. “20 out. 20 out”. Finau stays in…
I’m not going to be Irish and whine on and on and on but the first SA try deserved a review. In saying that Williams was getting folded at each scrum and not penalised so both ways.
No he wasn't. Maybe once. At least one scrum penalty could/should have been given for Frans collapsing.
