Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Riiiiight
Firstly, super rugby is not test rugby
Secondly, we are picking Jordie for.no other reason than he is a big dumb lump to truck it up.
Riiiight,.
The AB's best back this morning who made De Allende and Kriel his play things?
- Jordie Barrett: Back to his best in another huge all-round display, where he racked up a game-high 91 metres (off a game-high 12 carries), notably thanks to his great 50-metre intercept try a minute into the second half. Had body on the line on both attack and defence (seven tackles without a miss) against vaunted Boks’ midfielders, put boot to ball nicely, did well to tap back long lineout play which led to Clarke’s second try, while was unlucky not to be rewarded for hit to dislodge ball on charging Mbonambi for hosts’ first try. 9
Don't take it personally. Some dipshits are just blinded by their hate.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. It's unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
I would agree with that.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Mattasaurus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Watching now because I got home a bit munted after the John I Dent final.
Ethan "both sides of the ball" Blackadder couldn't pass to an umarked winger five metres out.
DMac decides to hand back possession from inside our 22 with a useless chip kick to nobody.
Blind ref penalises Ardie one metre from our line for "no clear release" when there's a clear as fuck release which should've been a penalty for holding on.
Blind Irish TMO can't see Mbonambe clearly lose possession over the line.
Cross kick to Clarke and a turnover penalty because South Africans are allowed to place their hands on the ground first.
Cane puts a hard shoulder on South African Black Jesus who coughs up the ball in contact.
Beautiful run by Rieko down the blindside from a scrum, draw and pass to put Jordan into space. Ethan too slow to get there to clean out.
Outstanding attack from turnover ball. DMac and then Lomax dummy to beat rushing defenders and put Clarke in.
Blind clown awards South Africa a scrum penalty despite the tighthead clearly on his knees.
Turnover because "both sides of the ball" can't get there in time to clean out the defender. Has there been a slower loose forward?
And that's the first half. Score should be 3 - 12
Agree with a lot of what you say - but your Blackadder hatred does run deep.....
Ethan was one of my top 3 players today (as have a # of other Ferners going by the MOTM thread)..... cos as you say -- the work on both sides of the ball...
In answer to your slower loose fwds - not trolling... but Frizzel and Ioane were not speed merchants either.... and sure as shit didn't put the consistent work in that Blackadder is showing so far...
Akira has trendous raw speed. Probably blunted by bulking up.
That sounds slow to me…..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
No fucking way. Improve the current system rather than descend to that steaming pile of horse manure..
It doesn't even need improvement, refs just need to be held to account when they ignore the most basic of processes/laws.
Since when has that ever happened? I'll wait
Not publicly, but I assume there's some Star Chamber somewhere. Bloody hope so.
There was a Test against Argentina when Tana was captain. Utterly, utterly bizarre and baffling reffing and you ended up with both captains shrugging their shoulders at each other at one weird decision after another.
IIRC the Ref never did another Test.
Barnes did lots... That french crook too
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. It's unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
I would agree with that.
Very strange the TMO did not at least ask Brace to review his decision.Why not standardize TMO input on all tries scored
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. It's unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
I would agree with that.
Very strange the TMO did not at least ask Brace to review his decision.Why not standardize TMO input on all tries scored
I don't know about that. I seriously dislike too much TMO involvement.
But where it is clear that there is doubt in the act of scoring, then this is when the TMO should step in.
Brace could then review the footage with the benefit of better angles. -
Brace didn't think there was any doubt.
The TMO try scoring process could be standardized in the background.
Just before the goal kick.
Ref " Alright gov?"
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I'll just leave these right here
He didn't even get it over the line FFS
Being very contrary but consider the complexity of the laws, did
Jordie knock the ball on in the tackle?
Did Mbonambi then ground the ball playing under SA advantage?I would argue JB was trying to hold him up and he dropped the ball short. Surely the carrier has to accept some responsibility? It is frustrating that the TMO butts their head in routinely, and yet here they were strangely silent. But the ABs clearly didn't know either because even JB didn't protest the call
JB did protest, you can see him gesture with his hands, but after the TJP penalty it was rather subdued.
Time for Captain's challenges?
No fucking way. Improve the current system rather than descend to that steaming pile of horse manure..
It doesn't even need improvement, refs just need to be held to account when they ignore the most basic of processes/laws.
Since when has that ever happened? I'll wait
I believe that was my point....
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
cat and mouse game of getting the conversion done before a review is called.
I thought that was dispensed with? Can be anytime until kick off I thought.
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Clarke was, very good but can someone teach him to stay on his feet? Soft ankle tap cost us 2 points right there. Will Jordan, good wing but no test full back despite BB having worst game this season, no need to change back three. I think Razor screwed up not having Proctor on bench after Fiji, imho Jordon/Proctor are the future. Loosies tough, don’t think they should have chosen both Jackobsen and Sititi, really limits options. That said Razor learning same thing as last two coaches, no one is pushing Ardie for his spot.
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Recently, the narratives against certain players are just so stupid and repetitive despite what happens on the field. You can predict what certain posters will say regardless. A loss just gives them a more gleeful vibe. Knobhead behaviour.
Anyway, really good game. Was the ref bad? That depends on whether your team wins or not but anyone saying homeground advantage doesn't affect the ref are kidding themselves. This ref needs to self-reflect.
I think the ABs are progressing which is nice to see after 6 years of stagnation. The Boks are a very good team with some once-in-a-lifetime players. They win "the moments" that count. We as AB supporters are now feeling the same frustrations of the Bok supporters when McCaw , Carter, etc. were in full swing.
Onwards and upwards! Will take a little more time and probably some more pain but we'll get there! -
@Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
The tight forwards looked good to me, would slip Ofa off the bench and welcome back the Groot but it is what it is.
But BB had another blah game, Ioane needs to recover his attacking mojo, and I'm still not convinced on Mark T, can he jump in the air, can he keep up? A weapon if he is back to 100%Loosies for me, Cane was doing ok but overall they are too slow and not dangerous. I'd be tempted to bench Ardie and find a faster player at 6 or 7 (Lakai?) I agree there is a height problem but note if Cane was at 6 he'd lose a cm against EB. Going by stats. And plays like a 6. I do note Matfield praised EB's meddling against the Argie lineout but EB just doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in hand.
Ardie is not going to be benched. We get these wistful hopeful posts every game he plays. Not going to happen.
Not every game from me. He's had better games.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack
We can all see we are improving.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
cat and mouse game of getting the conversion done before a review is called.
I thought that was dispensed with? Can be anytime until kick off I thought.
This. Thought that was clarified.
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@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster how is Jordie’s clear and obvious knock on a reason to overturn Bongi’s grounding?
Unless you’re saying it was deliberate and should’ve been a yellow card and a Bok penalty try?
Guess I’ll take the extra 2 points.
Jesus, Smuts! That is some serious display of mental gymnastics there! Don't defend the undefendable, deflection by mentioning a decision against the Boks works much better.
