All Blacks v Argentina II
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I expect some changes coming one might be BB to first five which makes me very nervous,Jordan to FB and Ratima to HB I can see that happening but not much else.
Maybe Clarke for Reece.
Razor did pin point the Savea and D Mac fuck up passes which led to the Argies try as being the pivotal losing point in the match.
Him highlighting that may cost some one a starting spot.That's certainly one way to spin it.
Bad error? Yes. Compounded by another bad error? Also yes.
Pivotal losing point? Come the fuck on.The complete inability of our forwards to thrn defend that situation is a bigger concern than a couple of individual judgement and skill errors. Errors that came about because our overall mindset was "fast and wide always"
Not what I would do or want more like what I think may happen.
If BB gets move to 10 I'll....
Well, I'll laugh in "well this new era is certainly different aye?"
Yeah I will just about not want to watch if that happens.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
"Fuck it let's call Vern Cotter"
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Yes you are right, Robertson has to go too
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
The stupid wide, wide, wide backline moves seem to have been built around DMac's supposed distribution ability.
Put Plummer in and everything becomes more simple. -
The frustrating thing is we can go direct but we choose not to. Cotter did not invent something new, it's just direct forward play, stay close in support and clean out, recycle and repeat. Any of the forwards in the squad right now could play that game. It's the isolation that is killing us right now, we can't keep possession for decent periods of time to create pressure. Or we don't want to because we'd rather score on every play
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Wait to the 2nd half is over.
He does miss a sitter penalty from in front and throws shocker of a pass which Reiko had to force to create the last Argies try. -
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Don’t stress, we’ve got this. The Argies hooker is 39 for fucks sake. He’ll run out of steam and the ABs will capitalise.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Wait to the 2nd half is over.
He does miss a sitter penalty from in front and throws shocker of a pass which Reiko had to force to create the last Argies try.Don't ruin it for him!
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Was Fozzie still as bad as everyone makes out?
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was Fozzie still as bad as everyone makes out?
Yes. So bad the team is still trying to shake him off. It's a credit to the coaching staff last night was the first loss of the season.
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@Chris Ardie is the most culpable in that entire movement.
We just won a lineout steal, everyones ready to counter with Ratima at the base ready to get the ball out.
Ardie decides to shove him out of the way and instead pass the ball himself, only for it to go 30 metres over our first receiver and setting off the entire chain of events.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
See @Frank's post above. That's why we have had B Barrett, RM and now DMac. Much of our backline play requires the 10 to be a running threat. DMac and to a lesser extent RM are also a passing threat. Unfortunately I think Perofeta is more likely to get a run at 10 if something was to happen to DMac and BB. So far he has shown he is closer to that style than Plummer (doesn’t mean I think Perofeta is a better option)
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Plummer looked the goods with the Blues this year. The Blues style suited him. Prior to this year, when the Blues played more like the other NZ teams, Plummer wasn't even always getting a start.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
See @Frank's post above. That's why we have had B Barrett, RM and now DMac. Much of our backline play requires the 10 to be a running threat. DMac and to a lesser extent RM are also a passing threat. Unfortunately I think Perofeta is more likely to get a run at 10 if something was to happen to DMac and BB. So far he has shown he is closer to that style than Plummer (doesn’t mean I think Perofeta is a better option)
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Plummer looked the goods with the Blues this year. The Blues style suited him. Prior to this year, when the Blues played more like the other NZ teams, Plummer wasn't even always getting a start.
Here's something for the coaches to ponder. How about we make our ten pass the ball to his 12 and 13 and let them try to make some play? How about sometimes our 10 kick for territory? And every once in a while, he could even run to keep the opposition off guard, instead of trying to run more often than not.....?
