All Blacks v Argentina II
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The frustrating thing is we can go direct but we choose not to. Cotter did not invent something new, it's just direct forward play, stay close in support and clean out, recycle and repeat. Any of the forwards in the squad right now could play that game. It's the isolation that is killing us right now, we can't keep possession for decent periods of time to create pressure. Or we don't want to because we'd rather score on every play
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Wait to the 2nd half is over.
He does miss a sitter penalty from in front and throws shocker of a pass which Reiko had to force to create the last Argies try. -
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Don’t stress, we’ve got this. The Argies hooker is 39 for fucks sake. He’ll run out of steam and the ABs will capitalise.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
yeah why not I am not sure D Mac is the answer at 10.
I'm watching the replay, still in the first half. DMac is good. He's out best 10 at the moment by some margin. His passing is arguably the best in the backline (including TJ). He unlocks defences - put ALB in for his try.
The issue is the forwrads. We are getting stopped on teh gain line every time. We are struggling to protect our ruck ball. Our problems are up front- Argies outmuscling us consistently.
Wait to the 2nd half is over.
He does miss a sitter penalty from in front and throws shocker of a pass which Reiko had to force to create the last Argies try.Don't ruin it for him!
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Was Fozzie still as bad as everyone makes out?
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was Fozzie still as bad as everyone makes out?
Yes. So bad the team is still trying to shake him off. It's a credit to the coaching staff last night was the first loss of the season.
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@Chris Ardie is the most culpable in that entire movement.
We just won a lineout steal, everyones ready to counter with Ratima at the base ready to get the ball out.
Ardie decides to shove him out of the way and instead pass the ball himself, only for it to go 30 metres over our first receiver and setting off the entire chain of events.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
See @Frank's post above. That's why we have had B Barrett, RM and now DMac. Much of our backline play requires the 10 to be a running threat. DMac and to a lesser extent RM are also a passing threat. Unfortunately I think Perofeta is more likely to get a run at 10 if something was to happen to DMac and BB. So far he has shown he is closer to that style than Plummer (doesn’t mean I think Perofeta is a better option)
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Plummer looked the goods with the Blues this year. The Blues style suited him. Prior to this year, when the Blues played more like the other NZ teams, Plummer wasn't even always getting a start.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
See @Frank's post above. That's why we have had B Barrett, RM and now DMac. Much of our backline play requires the 10 to be a running threat. DMac and to a lesser extent RM are also a passing threat. Unfortunately I think Perofeta is more likely to get a run at 10 if something was to happen to DMac and BB. So far he has shown he is closer to that style than Plummer (doesn’t mean I think Perofeta is a better option)
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Plummer looked the goods with the Blues this year. The Blues style suited him. Prior to this year, when the Blues played more like the other NZ teams, Plummer wasn't even always getting a start.
Here's something for the coaches to ponder. How about we make our ten pass the ball to his 12 and 13 and let them try to make some play? How about sometimes our 10 kick for territory? And every once in a while, he could even run to keep the opposition off guard, instead of trying to run more often than not.....?
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@Crazy-Horse yeah I think there's a likelihood you could be wrong. To judge him on how he played when he wasn't even selected seems pretty harsh.
It's not like he was just standing still and passing the ball this season. That's not how the blues attack worked. He had a huge role in organising and orchestrating that attack, including finding space for himself.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
They'd be better off saying fuck it and give Plummer the 10 shirt
Not if they are going to use the same game plan. I am all for Plummer, but if they want to play the way they have been Plummer's game doesn't suit.
Why not?
See @Frank's post above. That's why we have had B Barrett, RM and now DMac. Much of our backline play requires the 10 to be a running threat. DMac and to a lesser extent RM are also a passing threat. Unfortunately I think Perofeta is more likely to get a run at 10 if something was to happen to DMac and BB. So far he has shown he is closer to that style than Plummer (doesn’t mean I think Perofeta is a better option)
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Plummer looked the goods with the Blues this year. The Blues style suited him. Prior to this year, when the Blues played more like the other NZ teams, Plummer wasn't even always getting a start.
Here's something for the coaches to ponder. How about we make our ten pass the ball to his 12 and 13 and let them try to make some play? How about sometimes our 10 kick for territory? And every once in a while, he could even run to keep the opposition off guard, instead of trying to run more often than not.....?
Don't be so bloody stupid. That would never work.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse yeah I think there's a likelihood you could be wrong. To judge him on how he played when he wasn't even selected seems pretty harsh.
It's not like he was just standing still and passing the ball this season. That's not how the blues attack worked. He had a huge role in organising and orchestrating that attack, including finding space for himself.
just more organiser, as opposed to headless chook
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse yeah I think there's a likelihood you could be wrong. To judge him on how he played when he wasn't even selected seems pretty harsh.
It's not like he was just standing still and passing the ball this season. That's not how the blues attack worked. He had a huge role in organising and orchestrating that attack, including finding space for himself.
Yes, but his outsides ran straight and hard, which they did bloody well. It's also why Lam looked good. The AB backs are not playing this way.
Don't get me wrong, I like Plummer and I would like to see how he'd go. I just think he would be getting set up to fail under the current game plan.
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Some of you have lost the plot.
That shit show wasn’t DMacs fault, it’s a systematic fault.
Can’t blame our 10 for lack of decent game plan, especially when he’s getting shit slow ball.
Bottom line is we need some hard mongrel bastards in the forwards who love nothing more than steam rolling defenders.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse yeah I think there's a likelihood you could be wrong. To judge him on how he played when he wasn't even selected seems pretty harsh.
It's not like he was just standing still and passing the ball this season. That's not how the blues attack worked. He had a huge role in organising and orchestrating that attack, including finding space for himself.
Yes, but his outsides ran straight and hard, which they did bloody well. It's also why Lam looked good. The AB backs are not playing this way.
Don't get me wrong, I like Plummer and I would like to see how he'd go. I just think he would be getting set up to fail under the current game plan.
As opposed to Jordie and his sweet feet? His outsides ran hard and straight when that was required, but they also carved up out wide and in the midfield. You realise that the whole bloody backline apart from the 5/8ths were selected by Razor?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse yeah I think there's a likelihood you could be wrong. To judge him on how he played when he wasn't even selected seems pretty harsh.
It's not like he was just standing still and passing the ball this season. That's not how the blues attack worked. He had a huge role in organising and orchestrating that attack, including finding space for himself.
Yes, but his outsides ran straight and hard, which they did bloody well. It's also why Lam looked good. The AB backs are not playing this way.
Don't get me wrong, I like Plummer and I would like to see how he'd go. I just think he would be getting set up to fail under the current game plan.
As opposed to Jordie and his sweet feet? His outsides ran hard and straight when that was required, but they also carved up out wide and in the midfield. You realise that the whole bloody backline apart from the 5/8ths were selected by Razor?
WTF? Do you think I am defending Razor?
