All Blacks v Argentina II
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I wonder how many players were put on ice for the first test with an eye to SA, e.g. Clarke and Finau, and how many were actually dropped. I suspect it's more of the former, and that their hand will be forced a bit this weekend selection wise as they can't afford another loss. Players like Blackadder and ALB will likely go back to the bench, I'd expect Finau and Rieko to replace them, and I'd also expect Clarke back on the left as there's some distance between him and the next best wing at the moment. I think Jordan will start with Beauden on the bench as well. If Pat T is fit then he and Darry will partner up with Vaa'i back on the bench where he is better suited. Those changes make us quite a bit stronger.
But who knows really? It hasn't been easy to discern any obvious plan based on selections and how we have played to date.
All of this is pretty likely along with a ‘paper over the cracks’ victory by about 30 points along with gratuitous headlines like ‘Razor has his edge again’ or such bullshit
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If there has to be a change then, they should start Plummer at 10.
BB should stay on the bench. They found a great role for him and was very successful and then decided to change it. Why?
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@Kruse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Being a pussy, kept him on the field. Gardner used slightly different words, but... that was what he meant.
You should be a ref. Preferably straight after happy hour.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
BB should stay on the bench. They found a great role for him and was very successful and then decided to change it. Why?
Perofeta injury. So it's either BB or the choice of two green fullbacks. Makes sense to me.
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Lately it has taken a loss or an injury to engender real lasting change in the Allblacks. Injury was definitely Fosters best selector. I suspect yesterday might turn out to have been one of those days. Could be the beginning of Jordan at fullback and Ratima at 9 for example. Where they get the jersey next week, score a pair of tries each and the rest is history.
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I just rewatched a lot of the match after reading some of the online comment on the match. Just don't get all the parochial bs and condemnation that is being spewed out. Give the coaches and players a break ffs. Pumas played far better than expected.
I think the coaches probably planned two different teams for Argies as a trial to pick best combos for SA and Oz. They just did not expect to drop one at home first.Unlike most posters I thought it was a huge late match series of execution errors by AB forwards that lost us the match, not tactics or individuals. After a near 50 20 it was a long string of forward errors that killed us.
I thought the penalties against Ethan and Dalton were marginal and perhaps Sititi too. The lineout and scrum turnovers were bad execution. Ardies pass from the base seemed unnecessary and wild. But the try was more due to Ethans missed tackle.
My take is that our forwards lost composure and cohesion under pressure and lacked leadership. TJ was impacted as was Ratima.
We still should have won if Will Jordan had not badly overrun the coming pass.
And I did wonder why Beauden changed direction when Dmac was sending HIM the relieving pass under pressure, and not Jordie. Did either call for it?
Anyways, well done Argentina. Huge effort from their loosies and forward subs and a bit of luck of the bounce.I think we need to bolster our loosies for the next one. I want Cane starting and Finau at 6. Tamaiti into 23 as a ball carrier. Jordan for Reece. And maybe Ratima starts, to give Dmac more time.
A new coaching group is fully entitled to try out various combos and tactics!
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
BB should stay on the bench. They found a great role for him and was very successful and then decided to change it. Why?
Perofeta injury. So it's either BB or the choice of two green fullbacks. Makes sense to me.
I dont have any beef with Perofeta but I dont think he is going to cut the mustard. The top teams will have no problem dealing with him.
If we want to get back to number 1 we need to find some bruisers and some pace.
We need teams to be afraid to kick the ball badly to us. There has to be a counter attacking threat.
When teams (and im thinking of the Boks and Ireland) are lining up against the likes of Perenara, ALB, Perofeta, Beaudy, Havili and their ilk, they dont really think they are in for a tough day at the office.
Rieko who isnt a centre for me at least gives his opposite number kittens as he knows he could be gassed on the outside.
We need some muscle and some pace, even if they are one trick ponies. You need to be able to drop slow ball off to a Bundee Aki or Nonu or Kaino type to just make you those shitty 4 yards and recycle.
In the quest for "footballers" we have ended up with a load of well rounded "nice" players who are 6 or 7 out of 10 in every facet, but we dont have many 9's or 10's. Same with the back row. Honest toilers and nothing more.
Jordan has "10" pace. Roigard has "10" pace for a scrum half.
At the moment we have no points of difference over the other top teams, bar Jordan, Savea, Clarke and Roigard and maybe Aumua if he can master the nuts and bolts of the game. He has the x-factor but his career could go either way after yesterday.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just rewatched a lot of the match after reading some of the online comment on the match. Just don't get all the parochial bs and condemnation that is being spewed out. Give the coaches and players a break ffs. Pumas played far better than expected.
I think the coaches probably planned two different teams for Argies as a trial to pick best combos for SA and Oz. They just did not expect to drop one at home first.Unlike most posters I thought it was a huge late match series of execution errors by AB forwards that lost us the match, not tactics or individuals. After a near 50 20 it was a long string of forward errors that killed us.
I thought the penalties against Ethan and Dalton were marginal and perhaps Sititi too. The lineout and scrum turnovers were bad execution. Ardies pass from the base seemed unnecessary and wild. But the try was more due to Ethans missed tackle.
My take is that our forwards lost composure and cohesion under pressure and lacked leadership. TJ was impacted as was Ratima.
We still should have won if Will Jordan had not badly overrun the coming pass.
And I did wonder why Beauden changed direction when Dmac was sending HIM the relieving pass under pressure, and not Jordie. Did either call for it?
Anyways, well done Argentina. Huge effort from their loosies and forward subs and a bit of luck of the bounce.I think we need to bolster our loosies for the next one. I want Cane starting and Finau at 6. Tamaiti into 23 as a ball carrier. Jordan for Reece. And maybe Ratima starts, to give Dmac more time.
A new coaching group is fully entitled to try out various combos and tactics!
You cant be conceding 38 points at home to anyone.
Its attitudinal. As someone else alluded to, the players are gurning for selfies and autographs after the game. Record points defeat on home soil. They didnt seem too upset though. It's all nice and cozy. Cosseted young lads, in their nice Adidas gear.
They need Rudolf Straeuli to bring them off to a forest and carry fucking logs and be forced into a lake at gunpoint for the week.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just rewatched a lot of the match after reading some of the online comment on the match. Just don't get all the parochial bs and condemnation that is being spewed out. Give the coaches and players a break ffs. Pumas played far better than expected.
I think the coaches probably planned two different teams for Argies as a trial to pick best combos for SA and Oz. They just did not expect to drop one at home first.Unlike most posters I thought it was a huge late match series of execution errors by AB forwards that lost us the match, not tactics or individuals. After a near 50 20 it was a long string of forward errors that killed us.
I thought the penalties against Ethan and Dalton were marginal and perhaps Sititi too. The lineout and scrum turnovers were bad execution. Ardies pass from the base seemed unnecessary and wild. But the try was more due to Ethans missed tackle.
My take is that our forwards lost composure and cohesion under pressure and lacked leadership. TJ was impacted as was Ratima.
We still should have won if Will Jordan had not badly overrun the coming pass.
And I did wonder why Beauden changed direction when Dmac was sending HIM the relieving pass under pressure, and not Jordie. Did either call for it?
Anyways, well done Argentina. Huge effort from their loosies and forward subs and a bit of luck of the bounce.I think we need to bolster our loosies for the next one. I want Cane starting and Finau at 6. Tamaiti into 23 as a ball carrier. Jordan for Reece. And maybe Ratima starts, to give Dmac more time.
A new coaching group is fully entitled to try out various combos and tactics!
You cant be conceding 38 points at home to anyone.
Its attitudinal. As someone else alluded to, the players are gurning for selfies and autographs after the game. Record points defeat on home soil. They didnt seem to upset though. It's all nice and cozy. Cosseted young lads, in their nice Adidas gear.
They need Rudolf Straeuli to bring them off to a forest and carry fucking logs and be forced into a lake at gunpoint for the week.
And they need a pact
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You cant be conceding 38 points at home to anyone.
Exactly this, but I doubt anything much will change in a hurry.
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Clarke should get a run. Give finau another go at 6. Please let Scott Barrett be fit!
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Please let Scott Barrett be fit!
I think he’s out for two weeks. Although I hear a couple of journos will ask in this weeks media conference.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Referee: Andrea Piardi (FIR)
Lotteria…
Watched him in the 6Ns and his inexperience got the better of him on a number of occasions.
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Razor working out this week what a different animal this test coaching business is, especially in NZ.
Spend the first part of the campaign testing things and seeing what works and what doesn't? Fine, as long as you win, but you lose and the knives are out instantly. There is no goodwill.
And now this week, the players were chucked under the bus somewhat (which i find distasteful) so changes are afoot. BUT, if you assume some changes were in the pipeline this week anyway, he's now caught in another story. Absolutely anyone not playing this week will be speculated to be dropped for performance, no matter what the coaches think. That's going to be tough to manage internally as well as externally.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Although I hear a couple of journos will ask in this weeks media conference.
I'd like them to ask about the lineout. When they're getting around to exits. Also if our backline is supposed to look like that when we have the ball.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
And now this week, the players were chucked under the bus somewhat (which i find distasteful) so changes are afoot. BUT, if you assume some changes were in the pipeline this week anyway, he's now caught in another story. Absolutely anyone not playing this week will be speculated to be dropped for performance, no matter what the coaches think. That's going to be tough to manage internally as well as externally.
The spectre of captaincy too since he didn't manage to get the players to do what they'd been practising...
