Still talking about Foster
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024:
Would mean more if he'd actually done something about it.
Like What ? he could hardly isolate himself from the Rest of the leadership group he had to stick with the rest of the group and support them.
Of course he could. As it is he comes across as a bit pathetic and weak
Your comment comes across as weak and pathetic.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024:
Would mean more if he'd actually done something about it.
Like What ? he could hardly isolate himself from the Rest of the leadership group he had to stick with the rest of the group and support them.
Of course he could. As it is he comes across as a bit pathetic and weak
We're talking about the bloke that played lock for the All Blacks over 150 times? Won two RWCs?
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Whitelock says he actually had no opinion on who should of been coach, whether Fozzie should stay etc or go. Don't have a problem with him saying nothing.
The interesting thing he says about Plumtree and Moaar wer sacked after a group he was part of gave them bad review, so you wonder a bit.
Other thing he say is . Fozzie didn’t have enough international experience and skills in his team.
Lucky he not playing now there is vitually no international experience.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024:
Would mean more if he'd actually done something about it.
Like What ? he could hardly isolate himself from the Rest of the leadership group he had to stick with the rest of the group and support them.
Of course he could. As it is he comes across as a bit pathetic and weak
We're talking about the bloke that played lock for the All Blacks over 150 times? Won two RWCs?
He comes across as pathetic and weak in this situation
He isn't prepared to stand by an action he took. Not a leader rather than just a (weak) follower. I was disappointed when I read this
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
Whitelock says he actually had no opinion on who should of been coach, whether Fozzie should stay etc or go. Don't have a problem with him saying nothing.
The interesting thing he says about Plumtree and Moaar wer sacked after a group he was part of gave them bad review, so you wonder a bit.
Other thing he say is . Fozzie didn’t have enough international experience and skills in his team.
Lucky he not playing now there is vitually no international experience.
So it all looks a little confusing.Agree. Its not a good look for Sam.
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These comments on here are exactly the reason why Whitelock kept his head down.
The fault is NZR who fell short with the coach re appointment process and ongoing assessment.
Don't get me started on Silverlake.
There has been a consistent playing style so far this year by the ABs, good ball retention and building pressure.
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Silverlake feels like alimony.
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Can anyone say who was in the leadership group at the time? Pretty tough for Sam, sounded like a spur of the moment thing and emotions were high.
I'm a little surprised at the love the other players had for Fozzie. I'm no Fozzie basher, but given the results and public pressure I would have thought the leadership group might have welcomed someone new. Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
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@No-Quarter have to think it was SW, Cane, BBBR, Ardie, Smith, Coles, BB, Mounga...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Can anyone say who was in the leadership group at the time? Pretty tough for Sam, sounded like a spur of the moment thing and emotions were high.
I'm a little surprised at the love the other players had for Fozzie. I'm no Fozzie basher, but given the results and public pressure I would have thought the leadership group might have welcomed someone new. Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
If they were as concerned as Sam about how they were tracking, they clearly didn't arrive at the same conclusion he did, that the coaches weren't giving the team the tools they needed to succeed
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Can anyone say who was in the leadership group at the time? Pretty tough for Sam, sounded like a spur of the moment thing and emotions were high.
I'm a little surprised at the love the other players had for Fozzie. I'm no Fozzie basher, but given the results and public pressure I would have thought the leadership group might have welcomed someone new. Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
Wasn’t Fozzie someone that everyone liked on the whole ? ( in spite of any coaching shortcomings )
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Unless they were concerned about Razor trying to change things up too much.
Id say this. People mostly stand by someone who rates them highly. Robertson for most non Crusaders was an unknown factor. There would have also been a concern of Crusdaer bias if he was appointed with the RWC close
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024:
Would mean more if he'd actually done something about it.
Like What ? he could hardly isolate himself from the Rest of the leadership group he had to stick with the rest of the group and support them.
Of course he could. As it is he comes across as a bit pathetic and weak
We're talking about the bloke that played lock for the All Blacks over 150 times? Won two RWCs?
He comes across as pathetic and weak in this situation
He isn't prepared to stand by an action he took. Not a leader rather than just a (weak) follower. I was disappointed when I read this
Haha nice try. Pretty naive view of the situation.
He goes out and says something and watch the media (and a couple of others) throw him under a bus. Destabilising the RWC prep even more.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter have to think it was SW, Cane, BBBR, Ardie, Smith, Coles, BB, Mounga...
If it was that big with all of those players, I’d dare say it would’ve been quite fracturing had one player gone out!
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter have to think it was SW, Cane, BBBR, Ardie, Smith, Coles, BB, Mounga...
If it was that big with all of those players, I’d dare say it would’ve been quite fracturing had one player gone out!
Plus Mounga might have left a year earlier eh
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024:
Would mean more if he'd actually done something about it.
Like What ? he could hardly isolate himself from the Rest of the leadership group he had to stick with the rest of the group and support them.
Of course he could. As it is he comes across as a bit pathetic and weak
We're talking about the bloke that played lock for the All Blacks over 150 times? Won two RWCs?
He comes across as pathetic and weak in this situation
He isn't prepared to stand by an action he took. Not a leader rather than just a (weak) follower. I was disappointed when I read this
Haha nice try. Pretty naive view of the situation.
He goes out and says something and watch the media (and a couple of others) throw him under a bus. Destabilising the RWC prep even more.
He doesn't have to go to the media with anything, all he needed to do was just not go with the rest to the CEO. Then he's made his stand.
NB: This isn't me agreeing with winger.
From reading a lot of the posts on this thread before the article I thought it would be more than he was just sitting on the fence/didn't have a preferred coach/and went to visit the CEO despite not thinking it was a good idea.
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For me the takeaway is that the Coach selection process has a big issue in that the support team align themselves with a specific candidate and it becomes a package.
An alternative would be to select the coach individually and then to work with the chosen individual to appoint support team on merit.
By way of example, if Foz appointed then ask Ryan to make himself available as candidate for forward coach.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 my take on it was that he wouldn't afford himself an opinion on who he wanted as coach, out of loyalty to the team, all the coaches involved, and the jersey
I genuinely confused what Sam means.
I a real Sam W fan, but I don't think he is quite making sense.
He says players shoudn't express opinion of coaches, and then says he was part of group that got Plumtree and Moaar sacked.
And he no longer a player so ne reason he can't express his opinion now.
He was one of the signatories wanting the Silver Lake deal changed, and the letter threatening to take professional rugby away from NZR, so I not sure what he thinks is his place to have opinion on.
