All Blacks vs Argentina I
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Looking forward to seeing how Darry goes, promising debut. Not looking forward to seeing Blackadder covering lock when Lord gets injured sitting on the bench.
Hoping Beauds continues his upward curve and Jordan doesn't get exposed even worse at fullback than he did on the wing.
Interested to see how this midfield works.
And fingers crossed Telea and Perenara get back to early season form.
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Wow, with the responses on here you'd think we were still in the Foster era...
Fact is that these two Tests against Argentina are the easiest of the Rugby Championships and the selectors will use them to finesse their first-choice team for the rest of the year.
Tight five picks itself, given injuries to Barrett and Tuipulotu, and Aumua'a comparative advantage off the bench compared to Taylor.
Papali'i and (a slightly out of form) Savea are largely locked in at 7 and 8 - though I think Cane is still the better 7 than Papali'i but is heading off next year. Still wouldn't be hugely surprised to see him get minutes against Argentina and SA. At 6, it's a straight choice between Blackadder and Finau, given Jacobson's injury. Blackadder gets a run there this week but I assume Finau will get a crack next week and then whoever's the better performer of the two will likely start in SA.
Perenara is a baffling selection but it was always likely to be a combo of him and Ratima. Would still prefer Ratima to start.
ALB has been in great form over the last 12 months and he's been well and truly deserving of a run outside Jordie Barrett for a long time now. He and Proctor play a very similar game and are in similar form but with the team slightly down on experience, I'm pleased to see ALB in the side.
Tele'a hasn't had the best start to the year but and as some have alluded to this week, this could be his last chance to prove he should be starting on (either) wing, with Clarke probably the best choice at 11. I expect Clarke to get that jersey from next week, with Tele'a, Reece and Jordan largely fighting it out for the right wing spot.
The selectors haven't made any indication that this is the top (available) XV. We'll see that team line up against SA. For now, I'm pretty happy with the one selected - especially without knowing who they'll run out next weekend.
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Jeysus some of the doom and gloom on here is doing my head in. 3/3
The coaches have recognised the issues at 6/13 and are working on it. They are saying 6 needs a higher work rate and 13 needs to distribute.
A lot to be happy about:
Vaai and Darry have shown some real steel. Building depth there.
Forward bench is strong. Aumua and Sititi are real weapons.
Back bench is strong Ratima- Ioane - Jordan are gamebreakers.When the SA game comes along I see Ratima starting, Proctor or Alb at 13.
I like Reiko but more suited to winger in my mind.
I'd pick fast wingers so that means Reiko, Clarke or Jordan.
When Sititi comes on I hope he goes to 8 and Savea to 6.
Big moment for Blackadder even career defining has to stay fit.You don't see much criticism of DMac on here now. Has cut out the high risk plays and is a fantastic player.
Looking good across the ditch. Schmidt working his magic. Sold out game v SA.
Interest piquing for the Bledisloe. Has to be a good thing -
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The Blackadder selection becomes a bit more baffling when you try to figure out what he offers over Cane.
Not much, other than he’s a Crusader.
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Cool to see the All Blacks helping prepare the Wellington Lions at the stadium today.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
Since you asked... and to post some documented stuff.
Ethan has a massive motor.
Best Bronco times:
McCaw: 4.30
Blackadder 4.32 (4.34 in the article below but there's a podcast where he says 4.32)
Papalií 4.45That's pretty good for a guy who's probably slightly bigger than Richie - and will be playing 6.
Watch: Cam Roigard impresses after blitzing All Blacks' pre-season Bronco
Rising star Cam Roigard has drawn level with playmaker Beauden Barrett in the pre-season Bronco.
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Your point about turning 30 doesn’t really hold weight with Blackadder.
Normally, it’s because of too much rugby and you can’t accuse Blackadder of that.
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This thread
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.
Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games.
Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.
We are talking about now still not injured is he, so let us see what happens.
If he goes down again then probably time to move on.I’m not sure what your point is so just going to stop after this message. He was injured at training during the England series so didn’t play and has played 1 game against Fiji. So to answer to your question though about his current health status, the answer is no, he’s played 1 game and he isn’t injured(yet).
Agree about the last sentence in your message.
Still not injured atm is my point so let us see what happens going forward pretty simple really.
That's not really what you said...
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.He's played... what 3 games this year.... and managed to pick up a niggle injury somewhere in between his last Crusaders game (before the playoffs) and the England series.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.
Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games.
Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.
We are talking about now still not injured is he, so let us see what happens.
If he goes down again then probably time to move on.I’m not sure what your point is so just going to stop after this message. He was injured at training during the England series so didn’t play and has played 1 game against Fiji. So to answer to your question though about his current health status, the answer is no, he’s played 1 game and he isn’t injured(yet).
Agree about the last sentence in your message.
Still not injured atm is my point so let us see what happens going forward pretty simple really.
That's not really what you said...
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.He's played... what 3 games this year.... and managed to pick up a niggle injury somewhere in between his last Crusaders game (before the playoffs) and the England series.
It depends what you think The last while means does it not.
So going in to this game he has been fit for
4 weeks as he was training in the week of the 2nd English test.
To me that is a while especially for Blackadder. -
Baffling are the comments about Niggles. You naysayers are definitely watching a different game to me. Highly effective, rugged loose forward with a huge workrate.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.
Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games.
Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.
We are talking about now still not injured is he, so let us see what happens.
If he goes down again then probably time to move on.I’m not sure what your point is so just going to stop after this message. He was injured at training during the England series so didn’t play and has played 1 game against Fiji. So to answer to your question though about his current health status, the answer is no, he’s played 1 game and he isn’t injured(yet).
Agree about the last sentence in your message.
Still not injured atm is my point so let us see what happens going forward pretty simple really.
That's not really what you said...
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.He's played... what 3 games this year.... and managed to pick up a niggle injury somewhere in between his last Crusaders game (before the playoffs) and the England series.
It depends what you think The last while means does it not.
So going in to this game he has been fit for
4 weeks as he was training in the week of the 2nd English test.
To me that is a while especially for Blackadder.So how does "maybe he is over the injuries" fit into it? Based on 1 test and a few weeks of training? Seriously?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Baffling are the comments about Niggles. You naysayers are definitely watching a different game to me. Highly effective, rugged loose forward with a huge workrate.
Can't defend the injury run however...A player that commands a nickname like "niggles" can't be surprised if there are questions about his durability, and his ability to survive an entire match unscathed
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Highly effective
Only if effective is arriving to the breakdown to observe the ball leaving. Or if the ball is still there, gently flopping in.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
I hope he can prove us wrong and in a few years we look back on this time the way people look at Nonu's early years
Blackadder is 29 and should be in his prime right now. I struggle to see how he can get any better from here, especially when he is out of action as often as he is. He's going to be 32 at the next World Cup, id hate to know what his body is like by then.
As I posted in another thread a while back, he has been a Crusader since 2018. Since then, he has played on average 7 games a season for them. As we know, for the majority of players(forwards especially) its downhill from 30 years old... I really struggle to see the benefit of giving him a full shot on the 6 jersey moving forward because as history shows, this guy cant stay healthy and father time is going to do him no favours.
I can acknowledge that when he's is healthy and fit he is an absolute weapon but its very few and far between and feels like its been a couple years since he's played like the player he's still hyped up to be.
Expecting some people to disagree with me and thats fair enough, but thats my opinion on the whole Blackadder situation.
Not so sure on the 32 is too old for a blindside flanker Jerome Kaine was dominating at 6 until he was 34 when he played his last test.
6 seems to be a position you get better as you get older to a certain point of course.We are talking about Blackadder here, a guy whose body is already broken.
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.
Come on mate. 2 Crusaders games on the bounce and an All Blacks test against Fiji isn’t exactly ‘the last while’, it’s 3 games.
Like I said, when healthy the guy is a weapon but unfortunately we hardly get to see that. I do hope he can stay healthy, but my opinion about him being at his peak now won’t change.
We are talking about now still not injured is he, so let us see what happens.
If he goes down again then probably time to move on.I’m not sure what your point is so just going to stop after this message. He was injured at training during the England series so didn’t play and has played 1 game against Fiji. So to answer to your question though about his current health status, the answer is no, he’s played 1 game and he isn’t injured(yet).
Agree about the last sentence in your message.
Still not injured atm is my point so let us see what happens going forward pretty simple really.
That's not really what you said...
Well is it now though he has been good for the last while maybe he is over the injuries and will push forward.He's played... what 3 games this year.... and managed to pick up a niggle injury somewhere in between his last Crusaders game (before the playoffs) and the England series.
It depends what you think The last while means does it not.
So going in to this game he has been fit for
4 weeks as he was training in the week of the 2nd English test.
To me that is a while especially for Blackadder.So how does "maybe he is over the injuries" fit into it? Based on 1 test and a few weeks of training? Seriously?
How do you know he is not over his injuries you have to start at a certain point to get over A run of injuries, you can’t say the last 4 weeks is not the start of being injury free.
It may not but be, do you know for 100% it is not.
