All Blacks vs England I
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs England I:
LOL new season and some things never change. Tim wanking on about how amazeballs papali’i is and how everyone else is useless. Don’t change Tim!
It must be so hard for Papalii to lift himself when he’s surrounded by such mediocrity
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@MadGav said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew if Dmac had nailed his we would have won by more
If, but, maybe
Why is this forum so negative
England are a GOOD TEAMThe negativity is always there in the match threads and they're often entertaining when you read them the next day already knowing the outcome. That's often part of the fun of this place. We all say something silly in the heat of the moment in a match thread.
But, this may have been the worst one ever, it seemed to just be filled with posters complaining about players or hyping players based on franchise preference.
If we run the AI for this thread it will likely say every player was both shit and awesome.
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Some interesting ratings as is often the case. I think Reece deserved a 9 and not quite sure how Vaa’i got 7 and Aumua only 6 ?
Overall one would think the ABs won by more than a solitary point.
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I didn't notice much comment on Jacobson- he had 3 tackles in 19 minutes? But I didn't see much of him after the first 2 or 3 minutes of his cameo..
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England I:
Some interesting ratings as is often the case. I think Reece deserved a 9 and not quite sure how Vaa’i got 7 and Aumua only 6 ?
Overall one would think the ABs won by more than a solitary point.
I'm not a Canes supporter but I thought the team lifted its urgency when he (Aumua) came on. But Vaa'i was more dynamic than I was expecting.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs England I:
One thing I would add, and maybe this is because the ref was Georgian, but that test actually flowed. They didn't review every single farking tackle or movement. I felt I actually watched a game of rugby and not the stop-start-review trash from recent years.
Not sure how much was him and how much was the players but was nice after a test to be not talking about cards as well
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks vs England I:
All Blacks v England: Player ratings from a tense test match
Assessing the best – and worst – of the performances in a tough opening test.
Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack it seemed like a lot of stuff we complain about, team going wide, before forcing oppostion back.
Scrum was good, and there were no cards.
Nick Berry is ref next week.
I’m willing to put a Charles Barkley guaranteeee on there being a card with ol mate on the whistle. He’s like a dealer at the casino.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England I:
I think we all agree the loose trio is still looking unsettled. But during the last era and possibly this one we are still undecided on the best trio.
Who is we?
It was very clear in the 18 months leading up to the RWC that in the minds of the selectors our top trio was Frizell, Cane and Savea.
Two of those currently unavailable so back to the drawing board.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks vs England I:
All Blacks v England: Player ratings from a tense test match
Assessing the best – and worst – of the performances in a tough opening test.
Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?
Yep a complete idiot Aldworth didn't even understand want he was watching.
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If I had sum up match from ABs in a sentnce,I would say to me they perhaps looked like a team with too many coaches.
Though I think they will settle in when I was watching (maybe because it was something I knew), I kept thinking it looked like the backline were all playing kind of well in seprate pods without really looking likely to flow at any stage? Pretty skittery I thought.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England I:
I think we all agree the loose trio is still looking unsettled. But during the last era and possibly this one we are still undecided on the best trio.
Who is we?
It was very clear in the 18 months leading up to the RWC that in the minds of the selectors our top trio was Frizell, Cane and Savea.
Two of those currently unavailable so back to the drawing board.
Fair enough
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Highlights with the English commentary -
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Very pleased to get the win - 10 days in camp with a rebuild squad - I was very apprehensive about this game.
Unavailable from the 23 that played in the final 6 months ago - Retallick, Frizell, Cane, Smith, Mo'unga, Jordan, Taukei'aho, Laulala, Whitelock - plus squaddies Coles, Roigard and Fainga'anuku.
That's a shitload of depth to have to replace.
Not surprised that we didn't see too much in the way of a discernable new pattern. Have to be very careful about downloading too much new stuff in 10 days.
Get through these three games - then we've got three weeks before the Rugby Championship - I'd hope to see some significant new stuff emerging as we progress through that.
A baseline performance put down - lots to work on this week - and, importantly, a win!
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@mencey said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
This is the first test and people on here are shitting themselves. I have complete and utter confidence in Razor and his team. in 3 years and 7 years time when we are winning our 4th and 5th world cup all the criticism will be laughed at.
I'm having what your having
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I skimmed through the stats.. A lot of things more or less even
England had to make a lot more tackles (198 v 109). Despite that the carry metres were similar (NZ 337m v 332m)
Some of the carry stats
NZ Eng carries_metres 337m 332m carry_dominant 44 30 carry_ineffective 3 7 carry_neutral 94 47 ruck_over_gainline_percent 33% 45% ruck_speed 0-3secs 73 34 ruck_speed 0-3secs % 62% 45% So we got plenty of ball & lots of it quick. However England stopped us making much ground
Looking at the dominant carries it's interesting how many of them were from backs:
Both teams weren't great on defence, only 77% for NZ and 76% for England. I would hope that is about learning a new system.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
Could we have tackles and turnovers won, please? ESPN, even if not there most accurate, don't have anything at all
Turnovers won
Tackles
Player Made Missed Papali'i 15 2 S Barrett 9 1 Finau 9 3 Taylor 8 2 Savea 8 0 EDG 7 1 Tuipulotu 7 1 Christie 7 3 Lomax 7 1 McKenzie 7 0 Here's the ruck arrivals too:
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England I:
@mencey said in All Blacks vs England I:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England I:
On the positive I enjoyed the game and really looking forward to next week. I am confident the coaches will grow over the season and adapt as they go.
This is the first test and people on here are shitting themselves. I have complete and utter confidence in Razor and his team. in 3 years and 7 years time when we are winning our 4th and 5th world cup all the criticism will be laughed at.
I'm having what your having
A massive cup of Hubris by the looks of it. How embarrassing.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
Fucking laughable rankings. Ardie rated higher than Jordie? Marcus Smith a better game than Furbank? What game did this fuckwit Winston Aldworth watch?
At least he got Itoje right. Completely different player now Borthwick's got his head right.
