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NTA

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Compare the utter shit of McKenzie vs the greatness of Cheika in the context of 3N/TRC competition?
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You mean how Cheika has 1 trophy from 1 attempt? Undefeated? 
 
Not even sure there is an All Black Coach with a 100% 3N/TRC record :think:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_Championship'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_Championship</a>

Siam

Try as I might I can't dislike Cheika.
 
Seems like a decent bloke and the quarterfinal rhetoric was a stand out example of him taking heat off the players in a controversial win. 
 
His demeanour in press conferences is similar to Hansen's with an honest approach to questions and some respect given to the twats that ask him questions.
 
He did turn that team around quick smart after Link got the boot so to speak. (Was also a fan of Link but that's mainly because I went on a 5am bender with him and Melodie Robinson when he came to Bangkok a few years ago)
 
I'm reminded of Cheika and Moore's reactions to the WRC final and thought they were all class.

MajorRage

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I'm reminded of Cheika and Moore's reactions to the WRC final and thought they were all class.
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The Aussie media writing about this shitted me to tears. Honestly, it was like there some sort of "we lost the match, so lets ensure we really push just how awesome and nice our guys were compared to the All Blacks"
 
Moores post match interview was bog standard we lost, congrats to the other team they outplayed. No different than anything else offered in about 95% of other post match interviews of the losing captains. Chieka on the other hand was actually very good and honest - he really does come across genuine. 
 
In reality, Hansen was as good as Chieka, it not better. As he ignored his first question in the presser to talk exclusively about Australia.
 
Now that, was proper class. But it just didn't suit the media agenda.

Siam

Didn't notice the media shite but I remember thinking the way the Moore and Cheika offered no excuses and talked almost exclusively about the winners and mentioned them simply not being good enough
 
But I was in a pretty accommodating mood at the time...

NTA

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Moores post match interview was bog standard we lost, congrats to the other team they outplayed. 
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He was probably fucking fuming that he just lost a RWC final. So he's entitled to be a little bit shittier than the coach, who would have known at the moment Barrett touched down, that the game was gone.
 
Cheika is a short fuse kind of guy - but he recovers quickly.
 
 
 
 
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The Aussie media writing about this shitted me to tears. Honestly, it was like there some sort of "we lost the match, so lets ensure we really push just how awesome and nice our guys were compared to the All Blacks"
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I don't think its as big a deal as you make it out to be. You might remember they're writing to an Australian audience, so they're going to look for the positives.
 
The only issue I saw mentioned - and it might not even have been in the media - is that McCaw didn't mention Australia once in his post-match interview on the field. Not bog standard but he'd just won, so he can do what the fuck he likes I suppose.

rotated

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You mean how Cheika has 1 trophy from 1 attempt? Undefeated? 
Not even sure there is an All Black Coach with a 100% 3N/TRC record :think: <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_Championship">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_Championship</a></blockquote>
 
If you are going to be as granular as that I can't recall the last year a NZ coach failed to win an away game against their traditional 3N rivals, or lost two games on a EOYT. 
I guess the proof will be in the pudding soon enough.

Catogrande

Coach of the year/month or whatever is never just about the results otherwise the winningest coach would always win - it would not be a voteable prize. Many other factors weigh in. What was the starting point? How much did he have to overcome with injuries and retirements? What about the opposition? Plus all sorts of other stuff about the 'journey (c J Mitchell).
 
From where Aus were when Cheika took over to where he took them in a short space of time, he'd have to be up there for many people's choice as international coach of the year. As would Hansen with the continued success of NZ. The award itself does not make one a better coach than the other, just more worthy at this point in time.

rotated

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From where Aus were when Cheika took over to where he took them in a short space of time, he'd have to be up there.</blockquote>
 
He took over after a one point loss to the world champion All Blacks and a draw against them earlier in that 3 match series. Their 2014 TRC on the field was pretty respectable given the quality of competition (4 best teams in the world, home and away). 
Australia were in the same place they are now - in the conversation for 2nd best team in the world. The Gitteau rule should have put them over the top in the short term but hasn't.

NTA

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If you are going to be as granular as that 
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That's the only evidence presented in regard to comparing Cheika's TRC history versus Link's TRC history.
 
So yeah, I am going to be as granular as that, because some numpty strapped on their "Fuck All Aussies" dildo before logging into the Fern that day, and left the thinking cap at home.
 
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Yeah, but considering the utter shit storm that went down with Link, getting the team to the final - by whatever means - was a fairly good achievement.
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Compare the utter shit of McKenzie vs the greatness of Cheika in the context of 3N/TRC competition?
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You mean how Cheika has 1 trophy from 1 attempt? Undefeated? 
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Fuck's sake all you had to do was say "Fair enough" followed by your reference to pudding.
 
Its not that hard. I was even going to go on to say EOYT wasn't good enough from Cheika, despite picking through the bones of Link's system. I didn't, because why feed your little engine?

NTA

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The Gitteau rule should have put them over the top in the short term but hasn't.
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Based on what?

Rancid Schnitzel

Tbf Cheika had a pretty handy and experienced team to work with at the RWC. Not saying he hasn't improved things considerably, but it's not like he took over a team of no-hopers. 
In other words, the handjobs should be postponed at least until the end of the RC.

NTA

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Tbf Cheika had a pretty handy and experienced team to work with at the RWC. Not saying he hasn't improved things considerably, but it's not like he took over a team of no-hopers.
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And his initial issues were on display for all to see on that EOYT. I guess he didn't really improve them as individuals, but he just changed the way the team was performing. That took time - he's not the fucking Messiah.
 
Getting the whole Giteau Rule thing was a smart move, but I think a lot of us didn't think it was going to be too long-term, or called on except in the case of a few holes we needed filling. Not like he was about to call back 20 blokes from Europe, firstly because a lot of them didn't meet the criteria, but secondly because we actually had talent onshore that was at least as good. AND hardened in the SH competitions.
 
There are a few things being said in dark corridors about Link's management style compared to Cheika's, and that is the primary difference apparently. Link wasn't that bothered by the off-field stuff as long as you did the work on the park, according to people I've spoken to. That information is third-hand so garnish with salt, but it matches what we saw in the handling of Beale, the Dublin incident (where the players in trouble were banned the next week "because the team was already set") and a few other individuals.

barbarian

Cheika's plaudits had as much to do with style as they did results.
 
He is very different to other coaches. I've sat in countless pressers with Cheik, and he is utterly captivating. He has a way of speaking that is so refreshing, cutting bullshit and coming across as totally authentic. It is not dissimilar to Eddie Jones or Steve Hanson, but it's not the same either. The media are just as much in his spell as I am.
 
It flows through everything - the way he talks to and about players, the way he deals with officials and adminitstrators, the way he creates a culture within the teams he coaches. His players would run through walls for him, and his spell on the Waratahs players was a key contributing factor in Link's downfall.
 
That's before the players even run on the field. And when they do they play physical, aggressive footy that is bloody good to watch. He turns Super powderpuffs into Test warriors. 
 
Does this make him the best coach in the world? God knows. Deciding who the 'best' is in rugby is a pointless exercise. Cheika was the best coach for the Wallabies at that time, and achieved great results. Steve Hanson is a great coach and achieved even better results. Switch them around and things may be totally different. Or the same. Who knows.
 
Hansen and Cheika will both go down as all-time greats of the game, deservedly so. Speaking for all rugby fans in Aus- we've never felt so excited about a coach as we do Cheika. We fucking love him, and I can't remember such positivity before a Wallaby season as is the case right now.

Rancid Schnitzel

Fark me Barbarian you're not half building him up. I hope for your sake this is a good season for you guys. If not that will be a massive high to come down from.

barbarian

Yeah but that's the problem with optimism, isn't it. Just makes the fall longer and the impact harder when you come crashing back to earth.
 
I don't think Aussie fans expect the world, though. A series loss to England would be unacceptable, but with two games in NZ we all know the Bled won't be coming home this year.

NTA

I think most Aussies have set the bar at: Beat England 3-zip, but 2-1 at least.
 
Beat the ABs at least once.
 
Losses to Argentina or South Africa are probably unacceptable. 
 
But really, its about seeing more consistency and a style of rugby that makes people sit up and take notice.

Bones

Cheika an all time great? Say what?

NTA

WILL be. Not IS. Let's remember the difference.
 
Signed through to the RWC 2019 so he's got his chance.
 
Might have to think about tickets for that one. I'll broach the topic with Mrs TA.

Bones

Well he said he will go down as one, mentioned in the same breath as Hansen. They're worlds apart.

barbarian

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Well he said he will go down as one, mentioned in the same breath as Hansen. They're worlds apart.
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Maybe to you.
 
But he took the Waratahs to the title, and the Wallabies to the World Cup final. That's enough for the Hall of Fame in Aussie terms, regardless of what happens from here.

The Silver Fern

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