All Blacks vs Wales
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="585801" data-time="1465432753"><p>
Yeah I thought maybe Taylor is lined up for a possible start?</p></blockquote>
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That's my thoughts. CT is playing really good code. He's needs a starting opportunity during this series not only for his own development but in case Coles has an injury during the RC. <br><br>
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<p>Harris also offers something different as he is a bigger unit.</p>
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<p>Aah...nup</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Frank" data-cid="585824" data-time="1465438341">
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<p>Aah...nup</p>
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<p>Based on the Harris link, he is taller...</p>
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<p>The Chiefs site has Harris at 110kgs and Saders site has Taylor at 106</p> -
<p>The Crusaders site isn't a reliable source - probably the least reliable of the SupeRugby teams.</p>
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<p>There have been a few articles about Codie somewhat recently that have said he is usually around 109kg-ish. I think the All Blacks like him around 110 or 111kg for the setpiece, whereas the Crusaders like him to be a bit lighter. So there is bugger all difference in weight.</p> -
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<p>Based on the Harris link, he is taller...</p>
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<p>The Chiefs site has Harris at 110kgs and Saders site has Taylor at 106</p>
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<p>Huge difference, Massive....could be telling.</p>
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<p>Or it could be the old fern truism of weights not being updated, in some cases ever.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="585760" data-time="1465421691">
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<p>Different roles I guess, <strong>Franks hits harder in the tackle than any other prop in NZ</strong>. He's also a big force moving bodies at the breakdown.</p>
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<p>He's obviously not as fast as coles, and you can't coach natural speed (I definately know this from my own experience as a carthorse
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<p>Coles generally plays out in the wider channels waiting for an opportunity to run with the ball. </p>
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<p>A team with all tight forwards playing the same style of play as Coles would hardly see the ball.</p>
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<p>Are you John Mitchell? I seem to remember something about him telling his props to save their energy in the scrum so they can be more effective around the field ;)</p>
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<p>Ahhh, a certain Mister Faumuina might take exception to that statement.</p>
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<p>It's not a contest in which I would want to be the tackling dummy but I'd put my money on Big Charlie to "hit" harder.</p> -
<p>with the change or personell, particularly the backline, I wonder if we will see any significant change of tactics?</p>
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<p>with the change or personell, particularly the backline, I wonder if we will see any significant change of tactics?</p>
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<p>Id say the All Blacks will play a fairly simple, high paced game plan with the outlook of running the Welsh off the park with guys like Ardie and Beauden coming off the bench. They will probably add the flashy stuff as the series moves to the second and third game when combinations start jelling.</p> -
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Meh, my eyes say different.<br><br>
It looks like Harris has spent all of his injury enforced time off in the gym. And watching him against the Tahs he ran straight over blokes a couple of times. He's a stocky unit. -
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<p>Id say the All Blacks will play a fairly simple, high paced game plan with the outlook of running the Welsh off the park with guys like Ardie and Beauden coming off the bench. They will probably add the flashy stuff as the series moves to the second and third game when combinations start jelling.</p>
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<p>With the exception of Bradley Davies, Gatland has selected his most mobile and athletic 8.</p>
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<p>And the backs are not hurting in the speed department.</p>
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<p>Where it will be won or lost is speed of thought. Unfortunately Wales will be still in the blocks whilst NZ are chesting the tape.</p> -
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<p>I know we have an embarrassment of riches with talent, but we have to give Hansen and the coaching team big props here. We've lost 4 - 5 all time greats from the last time we played, and yet the naming of the team is basically as expected. That's insane. The way they have built depth in terms of players with test experience, while making sure we keep winning everything in sight shows some pretty awesome management - it's not something previous AB coaches have done well at all. He has to go down as our greatest ever coach IMO.</p>
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<p>Its more that they haven't fallen into the trp created by the embaressment of riches. Coaching the ABs there is so much talent & it puts its hand up so often you could pick & swap like crazy - Mains did this, Hart too especially 1998-9.</p>
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<p>The genuis of the last 10 years is they've picked a guy, then stuck with him even if the flavor of the month of the Fern or in the press changes 15 times. Only bringing new guys in here & there as injury cover. You could look at Ardie who they brought in 2 years ago to train. They have well & truly laid out there selection there - McCaw, when McCaw goes its Cane (who they make captain in the WC pool game). Todd is the like for like with Cane & Ardie is the long term backup & will be eased in. Thats been their genuis, doing that for every position.</p>
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<p>I was talking to a pom mate re the centres the other day & he was asking how we'd cope post Nonu-Smith & I said "no problem, Crotty-Fekitoa, with SBW slotting in later & Ngatai being developed having been blooded last year."</p>
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<p>In contrast over the 5 years or so NZ really only used Crotty, Fekitoa & SBW to cover Nonu & Smith, England used Twelvetrees, Eastmond, Tuilagi, Burrell, Joseph, Burgess, Farrell, Barritt, Hape, Turner-Hall, Tomkins, Slade. And worse there's no consistent gamplan those guys played to. Sometimes the have to big smashers, sometimes a passer & a smasher, sometimes 2 quick guys etc...</p>
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<p>Its often harder being a selector when you have depth as the fans will climb into every new young guy - look on here how many had selected Ardie ahead of Cane, or how during the WC guys like Sean Fitzpatrick were droping Savea for Nahalo. Or last season how many called the end for Dagg because Dmac & NMS can play there. </p> -
<p>Yeah, continuity is key, but then continuity is easier when you have guys performing well and staying injury free. Hansen and co have faced different selection problems to most other international coaches, nicer problems to have for sure but sometimes not so easy to solve. I guess what I'm saying is that despite the level of talent available and the systems in place to promote the national team's interests, they have still done a bloody good job and handled their embarrassment of riches very well.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="585782" data-time="1465428010"><p>Sigh. Way too many people take Internet forums way too seriously. <br><br>
My off-the-cuff post was tongue-in-cheek. <br><br>
If you're offended, seek therapy. <br><br>
And lighten up.</p></blockquote>
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Haha, perhaps you need to lighten up. No one is offended so perhaps take your therapy comment back to planet rugby. -
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<p>Haha, perhaps you need to lighten up. No one is offended so perhaps take your therapy comment back to planet rugby.</p>
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<p>I never ever post on planet rugby.</p>
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<p>It'll be 28 years to the day since the second test between these two sides in 1988.</p>
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<p>We just tried naming the two teams from those tests in the office today. ABs were a breeze - Wales, I think we managed five . . . </p>
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<p>[spoiler]</p>ALL BLACKS: <img height="1" src="http://stats.allblacks.com/images/blank.gif" width="5" alt="blank.gif"> WALES: <p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">1. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=562'>S. C. McDowall</a><br> 2. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=278'>S. B. T. Fitzpatrick</a><br> 3. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=504'>R. W. Loe</a><br> 4. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=703'>M. J. Pierce</a><br> 5. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=943'>G. W. Whetton</a><br> 6. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=942'>A. J. Whetton</a><br> 7. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=443'>M. N. Jones</a><br> 8. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=788'>W. T. Shelford (C)</a><br> 9. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=217'>I. B. Deans</a><br> 10. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=286'>G. J. Fox</a><br> 11. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=988'>T. J. Wright</a><br> 12. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=878'>W. T. Taylor</a><br> 13. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=830'>J. T. Stanley</a><br> 14. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=467'>J. J. Kirwan</a><br> 15. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=299'>J. A. Gallagher</a></p> RESERVES <p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;"><br><br><br><br><br><br> </p> <img height="1" src="http://stats.allblacks.com/images/blank.gif" width="5" alt="blank.gif"> <p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">1. S. T. Jones <br> 2. I. J. Watkins <br> 3. D. Young <br> 4. K. M. Moseley <br> 5. P. S. May <br> 6. R. Phillips (Jones)<br> 7. D. Bryant <br> 8. W. P. Moriarty <br> 9. J. Griffiths <br> 10. J. Davies (C) <br> 11. M. R. Hall (Mason)<br> 12. N. Davies <br> 13. J. A. Devereux <br> 14. I. C. Evans <br> 15. M. C. Ring </p> RESERVES <p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">16. M. A. Jones <br> 17. J. Mason </p> <p>[/spoiler]</p> -
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<p>It'll be 28 years to the day since the second test between these two sides in 1988.</p>
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<p>We just tried naming the two teams from those tests in the office today. ABs were a breeze - Wales, I think we managed five . . . </p>
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ALL BLACKS: <img height="1" src="http://stats.allblacks.com/images/blank.gif" width="5" alt="blank.gif"> WALES:
<p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">1. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=562'>S. C. McDowall</a><br>
2. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=278'>S. B. T. Fitzpatrick</a><br>
3. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=504'>R. W. Loe</a><br>
4. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=703'>M. J. Pierce</a><br>
5. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=943'>G. W. Whetton</a><br>
6. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=942'>A. J. Whetton</a><br>
7. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=443'>M. N. Jones</a><br>
8. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=788'>W. T. Shelford (C)</a><br>
9. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=217'>I. B. Deans</a><br>
10. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=286'>G. J. Fox</a><br>
11. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=988'>T. J. Wright</a><br>
12. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=878'>W. T. Taylor</a><br>
13. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=830'>J. T. Stanley</a><br>
14. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=467'>J. J. Kirwan</a><br>
15. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=299'>J. A. Gallagher</a></p>
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<img height="1" src="http://stats.allblacks.com/images/blank.gif" width="5" alt="blank.gif"><p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">1. S. T. Jones <br>
2. I. J. Watkins <br>
3. D. Young <br>
4. K. M. Moseley <br>
5. P. S. May <br>
6. R. Phillips (Jones)<br>
7. D. Bryant <br>
8. W. P. Moriarty <br>
9. J. Griffiths <br>
10. J. Davies (C) <br>
11. M. R. Hall (Mason)<br>
12. N. Davies <br>
13. J. A. Devereux <br>
14. I. C. Evans <br>
15. M. C. Ring </p>
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<p style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">16. M. A. Jones <br>
17. J. Mason </p>
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<p>Just say Jones, Evans and Davies and you'll pretty much nail the rest I would have thought.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="585764" data-time="1465422376"><p>Franks passing is much improved. His hands are a lot quicker and he is now used as one of our 'pop' passers with the forward interplay.</p></blockquote>
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What I've have seen of Frank's he should never be in a position to pass. Get out of the way son. You're a scrummager, lifter, tackler and clear out rucks. That your job description.
