All Blacks vs Wales
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<p>Not really. The Thorne thing went on and on and on and on and on...for years....and on and on after that.</p>
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<p>I didn't mind Reuben Thorne, especially when he responded honestly in post match interviews much like Anton Oliver's blunt comments before him.</p>
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<p>Australia was then in its squeaky clean John Eales say-absolutely-nothing-controversial phase, preceding the same meaningless guff from Tim Horan and Prince George. I used long for him to, just once, instead of his media manager inspired "Look, really, we played well at times as did our ever so worthy opponents who are lovely people and welcome guests in our lovely country. The lovely referee was very fair and it was a great night for rugby and the ARU is to be congratulated ..." simply release his inner bogan with something along the lines of:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">"What sort of <em>effin'</em> stupid question is that you <em>effin' </em>moron? Do you know anything at all about <em>effin' </em>rugby? Now Pierce off Jack and stop wasting my <em>effin' </em>time you <em>effin' deadship</em>! <em>Eff</em> me dead, a man's got to put up with some dead set drongos in this <em>effin' </em>game!"</p> -
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<p>There was an article on this site a few years ago when Thorne was playing called "what exactly do you do around here" or something similar<br><br>
It broke down a match he played for the ab's. Minute by minute and highlighted his contribution to the team<br><br>
Needless to say his impact was made through accuracy and physicality in the tackle and at the breakdown/maul. Cane is very similar in my opinion</p>
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<p>The problem is a superficial read is that people who play tight aren't recognised. Olo Brown (aka one of the greatest props to ever play the game) was largely invisible around the ground, but by christ he was one of the first name on the team sheet. Reuben was a bit liek that, but played a tight 6 role that freed up others to shine.</p>
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<p>I gobbed off to some blokes behind me at a test match in the mid 2000's who were slagging him. Not just a keyboard warrior here - Reuben was unappreciated (and picked by multiple AB coaches, too).</p> -
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<p>I agree. My first thought after "fucking bullshit ref" was "why were you idiots so flat?"</p>
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<p>Perenara was at least a yard behind Cruden. Wouldn't call that flat.</p> -
<p>yeah the pass was perfectly fine, better than flat, just the laws of physics meant it is always going to end up in front of where it was passed from</p>
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Ice and Suitcase mentioned in the same thread? Crikey that's an incitement to riot. I hate to think what would happen here if Wales won and I also wonder if some here don't normally rate Wales cos when we see them at the business end of a season or RWC they are half walking wounded and just don't have the same depth as ABs.<br>
Warburton played very well I thought but also look at turnovers - we seemed to get nearer to parity at end - don't know if that was bench or superior fitness. -
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<p>Warburton played very well I thought but also look at turnovers - we seemed to get nearer to parity at end - don't know if that was bench or superior fitness.</p>
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<p>The bench is clearly picked to provide speed and impact</p>
<p>- Charlie F</p>
<p>- Beaudy</p>
<p>- TJ</p>
<p>- Patty T</p>
<p>- Ardie</p>
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<p>these guys are not coming on to provide a steadying hand. They are there to destroy already damaged lungs.</p> -
<p>Despite his errors Naholo is a match winner. Probably needed to get the wings more involved running off Crudens shoulders as the Welsh closed off passes out to the centers with the rush defence. This forced Cruden to kick a little more than normal. Of course the solution is running the forwards up the guts so they are on the back foot more which we were a little more successful and committed to in the second half. I hope that Ardie learns that at the international level he will need more support with his forward running so he is not isolated. I think our second five needs to take on the line more to set up second phase ball and keep their inside backs honest. Rather than bring in Dagg would like to see Barrett at FB for a full game.</p>
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<p>yep, our bench did exactly what it is selected for, and has done for many years now. </p>
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<p>We have impact players for a reason, and they invariably make a positive impact when they come on.</p> -
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>I only use the alternative commentary when TJ is commentating. :whistle:</p>
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<p>That was ghastly. Then followed by the extreme close ups of Goldie, Cullen and JK as they talked. Unwatchable WTFuckery.</p> -
<p>Yup the prematch speeches and general commentary were a little bit more than stodgy. And Marshall has transmogrified from bogan to corporate bogan.</p>
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Notable Points from the test:<br><br>
Julian Savea may not play many more tests if he continues to play like he did last night. <br><br>
Coles had a bad game but he is still head and shoulders over any other hooker in N.Z. His biggest work on is his hot head.<br><br>
Crotty does nothing for me. He is just a journeyman and never looked like breaking the line. Bring back SBW asap.<br><br>
Savea vs Cane:<br><br>
Its not a question of if its more a question of when Ardie Savea takes Canes jersey. When Ardie gets comfortable on the test scene Hansen will run out of excuses to back up Cane and will be forced to give over the Jersey to the Welington wonder kid.
(Dont get too offended Chiefs fans). <br><br>
Read was strong and it is a welcome site seeing him slowley getting back to his best form. <br><br>
Changes I would make for next game: Ngatai for Crotty, Whitelock for Romano, Savea for Cane. -
<p>The refereeing of Barnes made it very tricky to get ruck turnovers - a few times players had hands on the ball for a while but Barnes let the attacking team clear them out. I thought Cane went OK, he and Kaino were certainly doing the dirty work up front.</p>
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<p>A Savea could be groomed as a super sub like Barrett for a while, a real handful for tiring defences.</p> -
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<p>When Ardie gets comfortable on the test scene Hansen will run out of excuses to back up Cane and will be forced to give over the Jersey to the Welington wonder kid. .</p>
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<p>Ha ha ha ha this ^^^^</p>
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<p>Turns out Hansen, Smith and Fox are have all been swayed by the fern and are biased against the second coming of christ. What heathens! How dare they fail to recognise genius when they see it. I never knew they were making excuses to pick an inferior player, but the scales have fallen from my eyes.</p> -
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<p>Despite his errors Naholo is a match winner. Probably needed to get the wings more involved running off Crudens shoulders as the Welsh closed off passes out to the centers with the rush defence. This forced Cruden to kick a little more than normal. Of course the solution is running the forwards up the guts so they are on the back foot more which we were a little more successful and committed to in the second half. I hope that Ardie learns that at the international level he will need more support with his forward running so he is not isolated. I think our second five needs to take on the line more to set up second phase ball and keep their inside backs honest. Rather than bring in Dagg would like to see Barrett at FB for a full game.</p>
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<p>Naholos running game reminds me of Sivi , with a heap more power in contact added in , </p>
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<p>The errors need to be ironed out though . </p> -
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Ha ha ha ha this ^^^^<br><br>
Turns out Hansen, Smith and Fox are have all been swayed by the fern and are biased against the second coming of christ. What heathens! How dare they fail to recognise genius when they see it. I never knew they were making excuses to pick an inferior player, but the scales have fallen from my eyes.</p></blockquote>
As the famous Joker quote goes "why so serious" I am obviously trying to wind you guys up. Its way to easy. There is obviously not much going on in Chiefs land for you to take that bait. <br><br>
My real view on the whole Ardie vs Cane situation is that Cane has rightly deserved his crack at the no 7 jersey and for now I am happy with Savea providing that impact off the bench. Cane will only grow as a leader and a one two punch of Cane and Savea moving forward is the perfect balance to exhaust our opposition. One day Ardie may get his shot starting on a regular basis but for now he is in a great position to learn from the likes of Kaino, Cane and Read to be a more rounded player. <br><br>
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<p>I heard an interview with Foxy on radio and he was asked about Cane vs Savea , </p>
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<p>And he said( dont quote me word for word) something like , they both have plenty to offer in the 23 , Cane has more to offer at the start of a game and Savea has more to offer in the closing stages of a game at this stage we believe , that doesnt mean Ardie will never be seen as a starter , but for now , we think that role suits him . </p> -
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I heard an interview with Foxy on radio and he was asked about Cane vs Savea , <br><br>
And he said( dont quote me word for word) something like , they both have plenty to offer in the 23 , Cane has more to offer at the start of a game and Savea has more to offer in the closing stages of a game at this stage we believe , that doesnt mean Ardie will never be seen as a starter , but for now , we think that role suits him .</p></blockquote>
You're spot on mate, I listened to the interview also and was about to post the same.<br><br>
Wonder if canes4life was in the wind up with the crotty is a journeyman part also? I'm not gonna bite after the dressing down I got last time -
I wasnt winding up on that part. Crotty is a journeyman enough said.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="586973" data-time="1465698933">
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<p>As the famous Joker quote goes "why so serious" I am obviously trying to wind you guys up. Its way to easy. There is obviously not much going on in Chiefs land for you to take that bait.</p>
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<p>Obviously? The Savea instead of Cane view appears to be pretty widespread in the great land of the interweb, are they all just trying to wind us up?</p> -
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I have no doubt though that Ardie will be in the All Blacks environment for a very long time.</p>
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<p>Two big and immediate work-ons for him - (i) get a decent haircut - he looks like a toilet brush; and (ii) kick his brother's ass!</p>
