All Blacks vs Wales
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Immenso Rapido" data-cid="586889" data-time="1465684689">
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<p>I'm going to sound like a dinosaur here. But on the forward pass disallowed try; why push it so close to the line and support so flat? Why not run the supporting line a metre deeper? There were no welsh defenders Tracking back in this scenario.<br><br>
A flat inside pass on the angle will always look forward, so take it out of the refs power by not making it look forward.<br><br>
Inside supporting lines are TJPs bread and butter, he should have been better at it on this occasion and allowed Cruden more scope.</p>
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<p>I don't think you're a dinosaur but I don't agree with you. For the players they were involved in a play at high pace, their job is to keep up with their teammates and trying to slow down to be further behind may have put them in a worse position. They did nothing "wrong".</p>
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<p>Meanwhile Barnes had the benefit of the laws of rugby, a big screen and a TMO who told him exactly what the correct call was and he bottled it.</p>
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<p>It's funny, I actually thought to myself during the game that Cane reminds me of Thorne.<br><br>
And that's a complement coming from me </p>
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<p>I was thinking McCaw myself - when he did that big dive to secure the ball at least. ;)</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tim" data-cid="586904" data-time="1465687608">
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<p>He really was that bad.</p>
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<p>See...there's still fuckers who don't recognise Reuben's greatness.</p>
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<p>Next thing they'll be rolling out the old "Suitcase".</p>
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<p>Cane's had one match where a few have criticised him - he's miles away from being labelled "Basketcase". :)</p>
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<p>(Actually, Mark Reason's in the Sparky camp - "Cane was out of form, looking jaded, missing tackles and not worth a start.").</p> -
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<p>See...there's still fuckers who don't recognise Reuben's greatness.</p>
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<p><strong>Next thing they'll be rolling out the old "Suitcase".</strong></p>
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<p>Cane's had one match where a few have criticised him - he's miles away from being labelled "Basketcase". :)</p>
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<p>(Actually, Mark Reason's in the Sparky camp - "Cane was out of form, looking jaded, missing tackles and not worth a start.").</p>
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<p>Invisible man time! ;)</p>
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<p>I recognised Reuben's greatness - it was against Queensland in the 2002 Super 12, he had the complete game, passing, running, tackling, hitting rucks and being seen doing it.</p>
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There was an article on this site a few years ago when Thorne was playing called "what exactly do you do around here" or something similar<br><br>
It broke down a match he played for the ab's. Minute by minute and highlighted his contribution to the team<br><br>
Needless to say his impact was made through accuracy and physicality in the tackle and at the breakdown/maul. Cane is very similar in my opinion -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="586901" data-time="1465686618">
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<p>Forgot to add the thing I was most happy about last night<br><br>
Sky gave us the option of changing to alternative commentary. Much better to listen to the Welsh coverage than nisbett, Marshall etc</p>
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>I only use the alternative commentary when TJ is commentating. :whistle:</p> -
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>Hahahaha that was truly awful.</p>
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<p>Great to see Reuben Thorne's name popping up again. A simply phenomenal player.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="586903" data-time="1465686886">
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<p>Not really. The Thorne thing went on and on and on and on and on...for years....and on and on after that.</p>
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<p>I didn't mind Reuben Thorne, especially when he responded honestly in post match interviews much like Anton Oliver's blunt comments before him.</p>
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<p>Australia was then in its squeaky clean John Eales say-absolutely-nothing-controversial phase, preceding the same meaningless guff from Tim Horan and Prince George. I used long for him to, just once, instead of his media manager inspired "Look, really, we played well at times as did our ever so worthy opponents who are lovely people and welcome guests in our lovely country. The lovely referee was very fair and it was a great night for rugby and the ARU is to be congratulated ..." simply release his inner bogan with something along the lines of:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">"What sort of <em>effin'</em> stupid question is that you <em>effin' </em>moron? Do you know anything at all about <em>effin' </em>rugby? Now Pierce off Jack and stop wasting my <em>effin' </em>time you <em>effin' deadship</em>! <em>Eff</em> me dead, a man's got to put up with some dead set drongos in this <em>effin' </em>game!"</p> -
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<p>There was an article on this site a few years ago when Thorne was playing called "what exactly do you do around here" or something similar<br><br>
It broke down a match he played for the ab's. Minute by minute and highlighted his contribution to the team<br><br>
Needless to say his impact was made through accuracy and physicality in the tackle and at the breakdown/maul. Cane is very similar in my opinion</p>
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<p>The problem is a superficial read is that people who play tight aren't recognised. Olo Brown (aka one of the greatest props to ever play the game) was largely invisible around the ground, but by christ he was one of the first name on the team sheet. Reuben was a bit liek that, but played a tight 6 role that freed up others to shine.</p>
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<p>I gobbed off to some blokes behind me at a test match in the mid 2000's who were slagging him. Not just a keyboard warrior here - Reuben was unappreciated (and picked by multiple AB coaches, too).</p> -
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<p>I agree. My first thought after "fucking bullshit ref" was "why were you idiots so flat?"</p>
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<p>Perenara was at least a yard behind Cruden. Wouldn't call that flat.</p> -
<p>yeah the pass was perfectly fine, better than flat, just the laws of physics meant it is always going to end up in front of where it was passed from</p>
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Ice and Suitcase mentioned in the same thread? Crikey that's an incitement to riot. I hate to think what would happen here if Wales won and I also wonder if some here don't normally rate Wales cos when we see them at the business end of a season or RWC they are half walking wounded and just don't have the same depth as ABs.<br>
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<p>Warburton played very well I thought but also look at turnovers - we seemed to get nearer to parity at end - don't know if that was bench or superior fitness.</p>
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<p>The bench is clearly picked to provide speed and impact</p>
<p>- Charlie F</p>
<p>- Beaudy</p>
<p>- TJ</p>
<p>- Patty T</p>
<p>- Ardie</p>
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<p>these guys are not coming on to provide a steadying hand. They are there to destroy already damaged lungs.</p> -
<p>Despite his errors Naholo is a match winner. Probably needed to get the wings more involved running off Crudens shoulders as the Welsh closed off passes out to the centers with the rush defence. This forced Cruden to kick a little more than normal. Of course the solution is running the forwards up the guts so they are on the back foot more which we were a little more successful and committed to in the second half. I hope that Ardie learns that at the international level he will need more support with his forward running so he is not isolated. I think our second five needs to take on the line more to set up second phase ball and keep their inside backs honest. Rather than bring in Dagg would like to see Barrett at FB for a full game.</p>
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<p>yep, our bench did exactly what it is selected for, and has done for many years now. </p>
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<p>We have impact players for a reason, and they invariably make a positive impact when they come on.</p> -
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>I only use the alternative commentary when TJ is commentating. :whistle:</p>
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<p>That was ghastly. Then followed by the extreme close ups of Goldie, Cullen and JK as they talked. Unwatchable WTFuckery.</p> -
<p>Yup the prematch speeches and general commentary were a little bit more than stodgy. And Marshall has transmogrified from bogan to corporate bogan.</p>
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Notable Points from the test:<br><br>
Julian Savea may not play many more tests if he continues to play like he did last night. <br><br>
Coles had a bad game but he is still head and shoulders over any other hooker in N.Z. His biggest work on is his hot head.<br><br>
Crotty does nothing for me. He is just a journeyman and never looked like breaking the line. Bring back SBW asap.<br><br>
Savea vs Cane:<br><br>
Its not a question of if its more a question of when Ardie Savea takes Canes jersey. When Ardie gets comfortable on the test scene Hansen will run out of excuses to back up Cane and will be forced to give over the Jersey to the Welington wonder kid.
(Dont get too offended Chiefs fans). <br><br>
Read was strong and it is a welcome site seeing him slowley getting back to his best form. <br><br>
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<p>The refereeing of Barnes made it very tricky to get ruck turnovers - a few times players had hands on the ball for a while but Barnes let the attacking team clear them out. I thought Cane went OK, he and Kaino were certainly doing the dirty work up front.</p>
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<p>A Savea could be groomed as a super sub like Barrett for a while, a real handful for tiring defences.</p> -
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<p>When Ardie gets comfortable on the test scene Hansen will run out of excuses to back up Cane and will be forced to give over the Jersey to the Welington wonder kid. .</p>
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<p>Ha ha ha ha this ^^^^</p>
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<p>Turns out Hansen, Smith and Fox are have all been swayed by the fern and are biased against the second coming of christ. What heathens! How dare they fail to recognise genius when they see it. I never knew they were making excuses to pick an inferior player, but the scales have fallen from my eyes.</p> -
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<p>Despite his errors Naholo is a match winner. Probably needed to get the wings more involved running off Crudens shoulders as the Welsh closed off passes out to the centers with the rush defence. This forced Cruden to kick a little more than normal. Of course the solution is running the forwards up the guts so they are on the back foot more which we were a little more successful and committed to in the second half. I hope that Ardie learns that at the international level he will need more support with his forward running so he is not isolated. I think our second five needs to take on the line more to set up second phase ball and keep their inside backs honest. Rather than bring in Dagg would like to see Barrett at FB for a full game.</p>
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<p>Naholos running game reminds me of Sivi , with a heap more power in contact added in , </p>
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<p>The errors need to be ironed out though . </p>
