All Blacks vs Wales
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<p>Did anyone notice how much thinner J Savea looked in the face? I wonder if they may have been working him too hard to get him back in shape and that impacted his effectiveness. Felt we were missing some impact in the midfield but probably best not to change the combination now as they need more time to gel. I reckon Naholo will come right, the effort is there, he'll have a proper break-out game soon.</p>
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<p>Also how about that sneaky smile and wink at the camera by Barnes after disallowing the Perenara try! <span style="font-size:8px;">(ok that didn't happen but damn that would have been funny)</span></p> -
Naholo having a Toeava like start to his career. Seems like the selectors have rushed him in too soon (several times).<br><br>
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I'm going to sound like a dinosaur here. But on the forward pass disallowed try; why push it so close to the line and support so flat? Why not run the supporting line a metre deeper? There were no welsh defenders Tracking back in this scenario.<br><br>
A flat inside pass on the angle will always look forward, so take it out of the refs power by not making it look forward. <br><br>
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I agree. My first thought after "fucking bullshit ref" was "why were you idiots so flat?"
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<p>Cane is a favourite son for Chiefs fans. Some of them can't tolerate any criticism of him.<br><br>
It's a bit like the reaction you got from a few Canterbury folks a few years ago when you expressed doubt about Reuban Thorne being the greatest captain ever.</p>
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<p>Not really. The Thorne thing went on and on and on and on and on...for years....and on and on after that.</p> -
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<p>I'm going to sound like a dinosaur here. But on the forward pass disallowed try; why push it so close to the line and support so flat? Why not run the supporting line a metre deeper? There were no welsh defenders Tracking back in this scenario.<br><br>
A flat inside pass on the angle will always look forward, so take it out of the refs power by not making it look forward.<br><br>
Inside supporting lines are TJPs bread and butter, he should have been better at it on this occasion and allowed Cruden more scope.</p>
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<p>I don't think you're a dinosaur but I don't agree with you. For the players they were involved in a play at high pace, their job is to keep up with their teammates and trying to slow down to be further behind may have put them in a worse position. They did nothing "wrong".</p>
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<p>Meanwhile Barnes had the benefit of the laws of rugby, a big screen and a TMO who told him exactly what the correct call was and he bottled it.</p>
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<p>It's funny, I actually thought to myself during the game that Cane reminds me of Thorne.<br><br>
And that's a complement coming from me </p>
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<p>I was thinking McCaw myself - when he did that big dive to secure the ball at least. ;)</p> -
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<p>He really was that bad.</p>
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<p>See...there's still fuckers who don't recognise Reuben's greatness.</p>
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<p>Next thing they'll be rolling out the old "Suitcase".</p>
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<p>Cane's had one match where a few have criticised him - he's miles away from being labelled "Basketcase". :)</p>
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<p>See...there's still fuckers who don't recognise Reuben's greatness.</p>
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<p><strong>Next thing they'll be rolling out the old "Suitcase".</strong></p>
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<p>Cane's had one match where a few have criticised him - he's miles away from being labelled "Basketcase". :)</p>
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<p>(Actually, Mark Reason's in the Sparky camp - "Cane was out of form, looking jaded, missing tackles and not worth a start.").</p>
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<p>Invisible man time! ;)</p>
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<p>I recognised Reuben's greatness - it was against Queensland in the 2002 Super 12, he had the complete game, passing, running, tackling, hitting rucks and being seen doing it.</p>
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There was an article on this site a few years ago when Thorne was playing called "what exactly do you do around here" or something similar<br><br>
It broke down a match he played for the ab's. Minute by minute and highlighted his contribution to the team<br><br>
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<p>Forgot to add the thing I was most happy about last night<br><br>
Sky gave us the option of changing to alternative commentary. Much better to listen to the Welsh coverage than nisbett, Marshall etc</p>
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>I only use the alternative commentary when TJ is commentating. :whistle:</p> -
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<p>This may have been mentioned earlier as I haven't read the whole thread yet. What was with Marshall's Phil Gould wannabe speech in the buildup? Cringeworthy.</p>
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<p>Hahahaha that was truly awful.</p>
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<p>Not really. The Thorne thing went on and on and on and on and on...for years....and on and on after that.</p>
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<p>I didn't mind Reuben Thorne, especially when he responded honestly in post match interviews much like Anton Oliver's blunt comments before him.</p>
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<p>Australia was then in its squeaky clean John Eales say-absolutely-nothing-controversial phase, preceding the same meaningless guff from Tim Horan and Prince George. I used long for him to, just once, instead of his media manager inspired "Look, really, we played well at times as did our ever so worthy opponents who are lovely people and welcome guests in our lovely country. The lovely referee was very fair and it was a great night for rugby and the ARU is to be congratulated ..." simply release his inner bogan with something along the lines of:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">"What sort of <em>effin'</em> stupid question is that you <em>effin' </em>moron? Do you know anything at all about <em>effin' </em>rugby? Now Pierce off Jack and stop wasting my <em>effin' </em>time you <em>effin' deadship</em>! <em>Eff</em> me dead, a man's got to put up with some dead set drongos in this <em>effin' </em>game!"</p> -
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<p>There was an article on this site a few years ago when Thorne was playing called "what exactly do you do around here" or something similar<br><br>
It broke down a match he played for the ab's. Minute by minute and highlighted his contribution to the team<br><br>
Needless to say his impact was made through accuracy and physicality in the tackle and at the breakdown/maul. Cane is very similar in my opinion</p>
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<p>The problem is a superficial read is that people who play tight aren't recognised. Olo Brown (aka one of the greatest props to ever play the game) was largely invisible around the ground, but by christ he was one of the first name on the team sheet. Reuben was a bit liek that, but played a tight 6 role that freed up others to shine.</p>
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<p>I gobbed off to some blokes behind me at a test match in the mid 2000's who were slagging him. Not just a keyboard warrior here - Reuben was unappreciated (and picked by multiple AB coaches, too).</p> -
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<p>I agree. My first thought after "fucking bullshit ref" was "why were you idiots so flat?"</p>
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<p>Perenara was at least a yard behind Cruden. Wouldn't call that flat.</p> -
<p>yeah the pass was perfectly fine, better than flat, just the laws of physics meant it is always going to end up in front of where it was passed from</p>
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Ice and Suitcase mentioned in the same thread? Crikey that's an incitement to riot. I hate to think what would happen here if Wales won and I also wonder if some here don't normally rate Wales cos when we see them at the business end of a season or RWC they are half walking wounded and just don't have the same depth as ABs.<br>
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<p>Warburton played very well I thought but also look at turnovers - we seemed to get nearer to parity at end - don't know if that was bench or superior fitness.</p>
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<p>The bench is clearly picked to provide speed and impact</p>
<p>- Charlie F</p>
<p>- Beaudy</p>
<p>- TJ</p>
<p>- Patty T</p>
<p>- Ardie</p>
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<p>these guys are not coming on to provide a steadying hand. They are there to destroy already damaged lungs.</p>
