All Blacks vs Wales
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="586532" data-time="1465638317">
<div>
<p>Savea made a good impact. But jeez it is going to get tiresome reading his cheerleaders just over egging it.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Looks like I hit a nerve with the BOP/Chiefs Mafia who dominate this forum.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Cane tackled and tackled tonight. Warburton got the better of him at the break down though. Delighted with Ardie Savea's debut and impact off the bench. He'll keep learning and getting better. I suspect he'll be the starting All Blacks Openside by the end of the year.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="586534" data-time="1465638434">
<div>
<p>Cane?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Yeah, I thought he put in plenty of effort throughout in defence and he was close behind during a couple of the All Black tries. Kaino did well too, including high involvement in those last twenty minutes, and Romano in my opinion.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm not so sure about Savea (who doesn't seem to be maturing as I thought he would), Fekitoa - I think he missed a couple in defence - and Naholo. He's a runaway train when he gets going but he badly needs someone up in the cabin doing the navigating for him and screaming at him when it is time to shovel the <strike>coal</strike> ball.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I thought Wales played well but so did the All Blacks. You blokes are hard markers!</p> -
<p>i think ben smith is lucky everyone else in the backline was shit..</p>
<p>cos i thought he had probably his worst game in black.. so many errors</p>
<p> </p>
<p>i'd replace him with dagg</p>
<p> </p>
<p>edit: and before anyone talks about his huge play.. naholo made more plays than him.. and savea was able to catch and score a try as well..</p> -
<p>AB's were great in the first 20 and last 20, fucking awful in the middle.</p>
<p>The Cruden "forward" pass no try decision was a shocker. It clearly left his hands going backwards, and Barnes is the only person on the planet who saw the footage differently. (And what the fuck was with the argument with the TMO. Ayoub got asked the question, he answered clearly and correctly and Barnes disagrees. Ludicrous.)</p>
<p>AB good: Read, A Savea, Naholo (an average of brilliant and awful) Harris, Barrett, Cane, Cruden, A Smith, B Smith, Moody, Franks, Kaino</p>
<p>AB poor: Fekitoa (completely at sea), J Savea, Coles (stupid penalties), Retallick (uncharacteristically bad handling, missed tackles)</p>
<p> </p>
<p>For Wales, North is a beast, halfback is nippy, Warburton is tough at the breakdown, and Biggar is a great kicker (despite the Riverdance leading up to.)</p> -
Almost had to hold my breath every time they ran at the Bus. Ball protection in first half almost non-existent. Hence failure to turn territory into points. And having two poachers on wing was definitively exposed. TBF substitutions pit that right. <br>
will be interesting to see how wise men react for second. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="586558" data-time="1465639306"><p>Looks like I hit a nerve with the BOP/Chiefs Mafia who dominate this forum.<br><br>
Cane tackled and tackled tonight. Warburton got the better of him at the break down though. Delighted with Ardie Savea's debut and impact off the bench. He'll keep learning and getting better. I suspect he'll be the starting All Blacks Openside by the end of the year.</p></blockquote>
God you and c4l act the knob when your fluffing is called out. I'm a welly boy and I find the constant cheerleading tiresome so how does that fit in with the chiefs domination crap you spout? -
<p>We kicked too much - particularly over-egged the cross kicks to the wings.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Well done to Wales. One thing they'll have done is stopped Hansen thinking he can roll out quite a few newbies with a bit of cavalry on the bench.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thought Kieran Read was great. My man of the match - might (should) have been the official one. Thought Crotty and later Barrett were the best of the backs. Aaron Smith and Cruden generally reasonable, though the cross kicking was overdone. Naholo a mix of very good and very bad - lacks a bit of vision - worth persisting with because he'll get better. Julian Savea's tackling was appalling. Ben made a few mistakes and seemed a bit anonymous once he moved to wing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Forwards - Moody and Owen Franks were barely sighted. Retallick and Kaino were a bit anonymous by their standards. Diving into that ruck by Coles was a black mark - I saw a couple of Jaguares get red carded for similar. Didn't feature much with ball in hand. Cane was solid - not as visible as Ardie when he came on. Similarly Romano vs Tuipolotu (actually, Romano made a couple of good runs, but missed a crucial tackle). Tuipolotu with an important lineout steal and a couple of other nice touches. Crockett especially and Faumuina linked nicely to put Harris in.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I think they'll make very few changes. Whitelock will come in for Romano. Dagg might come in to shuffle Savea out of the 23. Crockett might start with Moody on the bench as a rotation.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Conan" data-cid="586568" data-time="1465640263"><p>sounds like a good match. Does anyone know where one can watch a decent online replay?</p></blockquote>
<br>
Nah it was rubbish with a bunch of useless eggs wearing black jersey's. Haven't you read this thread [emoji846] -
Just finished watching the game on delay, some thoughts<br><br>
1 Typical messy first test of the year against a battle tested opponent<br>
2 As good as Shag has done blooding replacements we missed the big 4, especially McCaw's contribution up front and our 200 test midfield<br>
3 Savea was terrible. Naholo tried hard and put himself about but his handling and decision making was average, but at least the effort was there. We need NMS back<br>
4 The subs all played their part, Ardie and Tuipolotu played great and BB was BB<br>
5 Nice to see us keep our poise in a game that was in the balance for a long time<br>
6 Just when your dislike for Wayne Barnes fades he does something to remind you how much of a liability he is, what a fucktard -
Barnes just always has to manufacture himself a starring moment doesn't he? It's odd because otherwise I think he's bloody good, but then as soon as he's going so well he must realise he's fading into the background so pulls one outta the bag to grab the limelight. <br><br>
Don't think anyone was as bad as is being made out. I'd send the bus off to have a think and bring Dagg in to start with Smith on the wing. Ngatai to 12 if fit otherwise no change. <br><br>
Naholo was disappointing but is just getting used to test rugby, Savea no excuse. B Smith has been making a few errors lately unlike usual. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="586580" data-time="1465640797"><p>Nah it was rubbish with a bunch of useless eggs wearing black jersey's. Haven't you read this thread [emoji846]</p></blockquote>
<br>
Um.. ok. Anyone know where i can find a rubbish rugby replay? -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="586574" data-time="1465640425">
<div>
<p>God you and c4l act the knob when your fluffing is called out. I'm a welly boy and I find the constant cheerleading tiresome so how does that fit in with the chiefs domination crap you spout?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Who've thought it? People giving different opinions to each other on a Rugby Forum.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Calm down, not so much of the personal abuse please and realise that disagreement and debate are healthy.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="sparky" data-cid="586593" data-time="1465641336"><p>Who've thought it? People giving different opinions to each other on a Rugby Forum.<br><br>
Calm down, not so much of the personal abuse please and realise that disagreement and debate are healthy.</p></blockquote>
And I'm disagreeing with your personal abuse. I'm not a BOP/Chiefs supporter. <br><br>
P.S. Acting like something and being something are two different things... -
Barnes is an excellent ref. One of the best IMO. It will be interesting to hear what World Rugby say about the vocal disagreement between the two.
-
<p>If I was the AB coach and saw how shit the three quarter line was I know what I'd do.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'd get Read make <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Fekitoa watch a replay of Nonu in 2003 against England, and then Nonu in any AB match from 2011 - 15, then give him a slap and remind him he isn't replacing Smith who played a different game, but he is replacing that guy who was a legend in the game.</span></p>
<p> </p>
<p><span>I'd then get Fat Guts to do the same with Crotty but with videos of Smith. i'd then say (as Hanson to the pair of them) I recognize its really hard to replace a pair of AB legends who have played 200 games together BUT I would commit to them I'd play them together for at least 3 test matches but they better wake their ideas up.</span></p>
<p> </p>
<p>The reason why Fat Guts spoke to Crotty is because of how crucial the role of the eyes up D organiser is. Smith was it (and Nonu could see what needed to be done so went and did it in his awesome years), Crotty could be it.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><span>Wings.....fuck them,,,,I can replace them but mid fielders are much harder to replace.</span></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pukunui" data-cid="586556" data-time="1465639299">
<div>
<p><br>
Im different to others. Thought Kaino was decent but Cane was quiet. We didn't get many turnovers at the ruck or even pressure them and that is one of his key roles.<br><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>So when did we switch from our game plan of the last few years to a new one where the openside is supposed to get every turnover? </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Cane was making a nuisance of himself in rucks he was involved in and was making bucketloads of tackles.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I thought Kaino went well too, there's a bit of anti Kaino feeling around at the moment but he was like Cane, mixing it up when we needed to mix things up.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mokey" data-cid="586571" data-time="1465640399">
<div>
<p>AB good: Read, A Savea, Naholo (<strong>an average of brilliant and awful</strong>) Harris, Barrett, Cane, Cruden, A Smith, B Smith, Moody, Franks, Kaino</p>
<p>AB poor: Fekitoa (completely at sea), J Savea, Coles (stupid penalties), Retallick (uncharacteristically bad handling, missed tackles)</p>
<p> </p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Nope for me, nowhere near enough brilliance to balance out his awful. He has no game awareness. The positive though is that I've been hunting for a new Hungus since Masaga's departure and it looks like Naholo is the man. The one time he did pass he passed it straight to a Welshman.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I expect the ABs will be doing a bunch of defensive practice this week but all in all I'm happy for the first up win after a sketchy start. You've got to feel for Wales as they played bloody well and still had 30 put on them.</p> -
<p>IMHO Ardie Savea was better than Sam Cane tonight and will end up the better player. Sorry if that offends some of you so much but it is a personal opinion. Your abuse suggests to me you are losing the debate and know it.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Love and peace to all. Over and out for a little bit.</p>
