Force v Hurricanes
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Time to pick our team for opening week based on performance in the first two pre-season games. I'm going from the consensus that TJ will be available and Shields, Roigard and Sullivan won't. I'm also picking on form and not necessarily who I think is the best side. Someone like Flanders for example misses out because Howden, Iose and Lakai have played better IMO.
- Numia
- Aumua
- Lomax
- Walker-Leawere
- Sangster
- Howden
- Kirifi
- Iose
- Perenara
- Cameron
- Naholo
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Moorby
- Love
- O'Reilly
- Rakete-Stones
- Mafileo
- Delany
- Lakai
- Vijoen
- Godfrey
- Higgins
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Daffy Jaffyreplied to Canes4life on 17 Feb 2024, 03:58 last edited by Daffy Jaffy 17 Feb 2024, 03:58
@Canes4life I really like that bench. Plenty of young talent and impact potential.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
Flanders
I thought Flander was poorish at 8 but looked much better at 6. I would also start Delany in preference to Sangster. Maybe Lakai at 8 and Higgins at 14
I know Higgins isn't really a wing but he's too good not to start. And the other options are a bit so-so. Including Moorby who looks more suited to FB
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
Numia L
Aumua C
Lomax C
Walker-Leawere L
Sangster surprised if starts
Howden Unsure
Kirifi C
Iose Stood out vs HL's so maybe
Perenara ?
Cameron C
Naholo C
Barrett C
Proctor C
Moorby L
Love CC - Certain
L = Likely
? will start of availableAs long as Morgan is left right out I'll be happy enough
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@Winger I would start Sangster over Walker-Leawere though, so maybe we go Delany and Sangster. Sangster was one of the best forwards against the Highlanders for me.
I feel like we will rotate CD, JS and IWL alot this season, with Tucker and Taula chiming in for minutes at lock. In the loose we have the luxury of rotating players without losing too much.
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Roigard all set to go apparently
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@george33 based on your posts last year I don’t believe anything you say, especially when it comes to news about Roigard. Will wait for actual confirmation.
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The Canes jetted off to Perth yesterday but have yet to release the squad that has gone over to Aus.
From their social post those that were pictured at the airport were: J Sangster, P Rakete-Stones, J Moorby, R Higgins, P Tosi, S Rayasi, D Flanders and B Iose
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The only media I can find on Roigard's injury is the following - he looks to be cleared to play for round 1 so that's great news. Hopefully Vijoen comes off the bench
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@Canes4life Perhaps george was correct?
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@antipodean anyone can be super vague.
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So apparently it wasn’t Roigard that injured his bicep, it was Richard Judd. That’s why Laidlaw reflected on his pre season game against the Landers and said it was a shame because he played well. The injury cloud around Roigard was that he picked up a calf niggle from the ABs camp and that’s why he didn’t play against Moana Pasifika the other day.
From the article below it states that Perenara hasn’t travelled which means Jordi Vijoen will likely come off the bench against the Force as fourth HB option. Jacob Devery also did his knee in pre season training so won’t be back for a while.
Sounds like Brad Shields and Bailyn Sullivan may have made the plane as they weren’t mentioned as having missed it.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/hurricanes-set-to-tackle-perths-heat-wave-in-round-one/
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@george33 said in Hurricanes 2024:
Roigard all set to go apparently
I am relieved you seem correct this time
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2024:
The only media I can find on Roigard's injury is the following - he looks to be cleared to play for round 1 so that's great news. Hopefully Vijoen comes off the bench
Isn't Viljoen only injury cover in extended squad? Are Rudd etc injured?
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@Dan54 see my post above. Judd has a bicep injury and it's likely he'll be out for some time. Perenara isn't travelling to Perth but might be available for round 2 against the Reds in Melbourne. That means Roigard should start on Friday night, with Vijoen (as fourth option) coming off the bench. I assume Kyle Preston also travelled to Perth being the 5th halfback in the pecking order.
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Cheers mate, I should of checked your other post. I have ne problem with Vijoen anyway, liked the look of the kid for Manawatu last year and he's been ok preseason.
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@Canes4life said in Force v Hurricanes:
@Dan54 see my post above. Judd has a bicep injury and it's likely he'll be out for some time. Perenara isn't travelling to Perth but might be available for round 2 against the Reds in Melbourne. That means Roigard should start on Friday night, with Vijoen (as fourth option) coming off the bench. I assume Kyle Preston also travelled to Perth being the 5th halfback in the pecking order.
Vijoen is obviously a HB of huge potential. The only concern I have is his defense based on one pathetic tackle attempt I saw
But Preston looks more than ok too at this level. Shame the limited Wellington coaches selected the takes-forever-to-get-the-ball-away KHP
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List of Force players that won't be available for this match:
Siosifa Amone (thumb) – “Dislocated his thumb in training and had surgery to repair his ligaments on Monday. 6-8-week return to play.”
Felix Kalapu (hamstring) – “Underwent hamstring surgery last week following a tear in training. Unavailable first half of Super Rugby.”
Harry Hoopert (knee) – “Sustained a ligament injury in his right knee in training a fortnight ago. Has since undergone surgery and will miss 3-4 months.”
Reesjan Pasitoa (elbow) – “Dislocated his elbow in training and had surgery to repair his ligaments on Monday. Will require a 10-12-week recovery period.”
Papillon Sevele (knee) – “Undergoing rehab in Sydney from a right ACL injury sustained playing for his club.”
Angus Wagner (knee) – “Unavailable first half of Super Rugby following meniscal surgery.”
Jeremy Williams (concussion) – “Recovering from a concussion sustained against the Reds.”
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Forecast is sunny and 38C on Friday. Dipping down to ~30C at kickoff
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@Duluth 30C should be doable. The Canes faced tougher when they played the Reds in Townsville last year.
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fuck that
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@Canes4life said in Force v Hurricanes:
@Duluth 30C should be doable. The Canes faced tougher when they played the Reds in Townsville last year.
Whoppa said on SENZ they have been using a special room at the NZCIS to prepare. Whether that makes a difference, I guess time will tell.
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@frugby yeah they have a heat altitude chamber.
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Hurricanes named to play Force:
- Xavier Numia
- Asafo Aumua
- Pasilio Tosi
- Caleb Delany
- Isaia Walker-Leawere
- Devan Flanders
- Du Plessis Kirifi
- Peter Lakai
- Jordi Vijoen
- Brett Cameron
- Kini Naholo
- Jordie Barrett
- Billy Proctor
- Josh Moorby
- Ruben Love
- James O'Reilly
- Pouri Rakete-Stones
- Tyrel Lomax
- Justin Sangster
- Brayden Iose
- Cam Roigard
- Riley Higgins
- Salesi Rayasi
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All teams out
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Force side:
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Jordi Viljoen could be the biggest of biggest All Black bolters this year... kid is special.
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@frugby yeah he's got a real Aaron Smith feel about him. I mean that pass is a beaut. That haircut though is something else.
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@frugby said in Force v Hurricanes:
Jordi Viljoen could be the biggest of biggest All Black bolters this year... kid is special.
A couple of years away with cattle we got at 9 I imagine. But I certainly not upset at him getting the first start of the year!!
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I'm disappointed Godfrey didn't make the 23 but I'm sure he'll get his chance. Would rather him instead of Rayasi. Also surprised that Tosi is starting, he looks to have improved his scrummaging and could be a bit of a weapon if he can stay fit.
Our centre pairing and our outsides are very solid. Hopefully the forwards can lay a good platform.
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@Canes4life Australian S&C coaches earning their wage again...
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@Canes4life extremely handy looking bench though.
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@frugby said in Force v Hurricanes:
Jordi Viljoen could be the biggest of biggest All Black bolters this year... kid is special.
Agree.
The only concern I have is his size and defense. And how he takes the physical side of rugby.
But otherwise, he looks to have it all. Excellent passing. A joy to watch. Backed up with what seems like a first rate kicking and great running game. He also seems to read the game well.
And super confident. Maybe too much so and he needs to tone it down a bit.
I will watch his progress with interest. How some team didn't pick him up is beyond me. But Canes need to hold onto him for sure. In some way.
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@Canes4life said in Force v Hurricanes:
I'm disappointed Godfrey didn't make the 23 but I'm sure he'll get his chance. Would rather him instead of Rayasi. Also surprised that Tosi is starting, he looks to have improved his scrummaging and could be a bit of a weapon if he can stay fit.
Our centre pairing and our outsides are very solid. Hopefully the forwards can lay a good platform.
After the rubbish selections at times last and previous years (no unbelievably bad Blackwell or even Prinsep type selections. Or some of the limited 1st 5s after Barrett). And some unbelievably bad selections for the Lions last year. I have no complaints at all.
Tosi looked promising against the Highlanders so pleased he gets a start and a sort of rest for Lomax. The rest of the forwards seem spot on to me. Likewise, the backs. I am a fan of Higgins and hope he gets lots of game time somewhere. I have doubts about Moorby but no one is clearly better so fair enough. He's a safe option that won't set the world on fire.
And no Morgan. He had his chances and hasn't got it. But I've said previously my backup to Cameron is Barrett, then Love and then Godfrey. Godfrey needs to find an NPC team who will start him at first if he sees first as his long-term future
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The Force going with a 6/2 bench. Two loose forwards.
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Tosi has improved his scrummaging but a 140 kg prop will probably suffer in the 30°C heat.
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@Winger said in Force v Hurricanes:
I have doubts about Moorby but no one is clearly better so fair enough. He's a safe option that won't set the world on fire.
That's super interesting, I feel like he's been one of our more consistent backs of the last couple seasons. Having him on the wing instead of fullback is a great move aswell, I think he's more suited there. Shields highlighted him as the player to watch for the Canes in 2024, apparently he's been gassing people at training and is in great nick. Alongside Roigard he's apparently the fittest player in the team so hopefully he can have a breakout year and make that 14 jersey his own. I'm expecting big campaigns from our back three (Love, Naholo and Moorby), they are well balanced and they have the capability of taking our attacking game to a new level.
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@cgrant I would say Tosi and Walker-Leawere (due to their size) will make way for Lomax and Sangster early in the second half as the game begins to open up.
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