Quay Park stadium for Auckland?
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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It's funny hearing people complain about the Cake Tin. At least we bloody built it! Let's be honest, no-one is going to pay for any of these Auckland options. We got ours done, on time and with a decent budget and have been enjoying it for 24 years. Yes, you could make it better but then you might have never done it all.
What do we actually want from an Auckland stadium? Huge capacity? Roof? Location? Looking cool? It will be necessary to make choices because we can't get everything we want.
Hear hear. People can moan about the Caketin all they like. But pretty pictures of a new stadium in downtown are a long way from sitting in said venue anytime soon. Anyone remember the Auckland Superdome? Auckland and Christchurch would bite someone's hand off to have a venue like the Caketin in their city. They should be so lucky
I enjoyed watching rugby more at Athletic Park. It was just a pain getting to it and out. And of course, the wind factor.
Wellington had an opportunity to build something great. That was a football / rugby stadium with a roof. And this was pushed strongly by people at the time. An alternative that Wilson Whineray? looked at was at Porirua. This wasn't Oval. But cost cutting and stupidity won the day.
The quote for a top stadium with a roof was NZ$50 million more. It was very hard to get 125million over the line
I hope Auckland don't make the same mistake.
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
The Cake Tin had various options. One was a rectangular stadium with provision for a roof to be built later. My preferred option. And this cost was not too much more. This option would still be VG today
But it had to be a multi-purpose stadium, And as cheap as possible. Sadly, we had people in control of the money back then who were not smart
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
I didn't choose the seats, that's all we could get. I wasn't alone, I recall an ex-AB lock crammed glumly into a seat a few rows away. If you don't want me to judge the seat I was able to get, get me a new seat. I'm sure the view from the good seats is excellent. But in terms of a complete package the Caketin has more to offer
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@canefan come on, you dont think judging a whole stadium based on the one area you ended up in is a little harsh/bias? and trying to use someone who was sitting in an almost identical seat having the same opinion as support?...of course they has a similar opinion...maybe get some opinions of people that experienced more than the one area you sat in
ultimately im assuming were judging these on rugby...because this is a rugby forum...and a rectangular stadium is always going to have a leg up over an oval for viewing experience. I enjoyed the cake tin, i think its a good stadium especially compared too its contemporaries that we're normally ovals
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan come on, you dont think judging a whole stadium based on the one area you ended up in is a little harsh/bias? and trying to use someone who was sitting in an almost identical seat having the same opinion as support?...of course they has a similar opinion...maybe get some opinions of people that experienced more than the one area you sat in
ultimately im assuming were judging these on rugby...because this is a rugby forum...and a rectangular stadium is always going to have a leg up over an oval for viewing experience. I enjoyed the cake tin, i think its a good stadium especially compared too its contemporaries that we're normally ovals
I wasn't picking an argument with you, at the end of the day it was a response to those saying the tin is shit. Which is I believe incorrect and unfair
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lol you silly fluffybunnies are fighting about your stadiums now?
They're all shit. NZ has shit stadiums. Because NZ is small. And poor. And therefore has to compromise on almost everything.
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum is actually annoying as fuck if you have to sit within his earshot - not the chainsaw, that's fine, but when he's in the crowd shouting.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan and i agreed with you...and then you started taking swipes and forsyth bar for some reason
Read back. Someone basically said the tin was shit, and how far superior FB was
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@Nepia said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum is actually annoying as fuck if you have to sit within his earshot - not the chainsaw, that's fine, but when he's in the crowd shouting.
i remember the guy from Northland they used to get on Sports Cafe all the time
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan and i agreed with you...and then you started taking swipes and forsyth bar for some reason
Read back. Someone basically said the tin was shit, and how far superior FB was
there is a middle ground between being shit and being better than FB...which is where i would put the caketin IMO
although now im starting to wonder if the caketin isn;t shit
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@mariner4life said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Nepia said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum is actually annoying as fuck if you have to sit within his earshot - not the chainsaw, that's fine, but when he's in the crowd shouting.
i remember the guy from Northland they used to get on Sports Cafe all the time
Hmm, I don't remember him, I would probably have hated him because of where he was from, but I was too busy hating on That Guy to notice.
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@Nepia said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@mariner4life said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Nepia said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum is actually annoying as fuck if you have to sit within his earshot - not the chainsaw, that's fine, but when he's in the crowd shouting.
i remember the guy from Northland they used to get on Sports Cafe all the time
Hmm, I don't remember him, I would probably have hated him because of where he was from, but I was too busy hating on That Guy to notice.
That Guy was on Sports Cafe? i don't remember anyone except Rick, Mark Ellis, Anal, and Zinny's giant fucking head
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan and i agreed with you...and then you started taking swipes and forsyth bar for some reason
Read back. Someone basically said the tin was shit, and how far superior FB was
been to both FB is much better viewing
only good thing about caketin is the walkway around stadium -
FB is way better on TV too. And that is the most important thing to me.
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Th obvious problem with oval stadiums for rugby (and soccer) is the very best seats on halfway are too far from the action, so that means there are no great seats, just OKish seats all the way around.
Wellington was really silly to build an oval when they already had the Basin for cricket, they could have easily replaced the embankment (which is a shit place to watch sport as you spend half the time trying not to slide down the bank) with another stand at some point to increase capacity there (if needed). A purpose built rectangle stadium for rugby, soccer and hosting concerts would have been perfect.
I grew up in Wellington and have also lived in Auckland for a decade so have been to Athletic Park, the Cake Tin and Eden Park a lot. By far the best experiences I've had for rugby are at Athletic Park and Eden Park purely because the view was so much better so I could follow the action much more easily. The view at the Cake Tin is pretty average no matter where you are.
The challenge for Auckland is they don't have a decent cricket ground, but at the same time it'd be a real mistake to replace Eden Park with an oval. I think they are best to upgrade Eden Park and then think about where they can put a more modest cricket ground.
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@No-Quarter best ground to watch rugby code, based on quality of the view, is Mt Smart
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@No-Quarter said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Th obvious problem with oval stadiums for rugby (and soccer) is the very best seats on halfway are too far from the action, so that means there are no great seats, just OKish seats all the way around.
Wellington was really silly to build an oval when they already had the Basin for cricket, they could have easily replaced the embankment (which is a shit place to watch sport as you spend half the time trying not to slide down the bank) with another stadium at some point to increase capacity there (if needed). A purpose built rectangle stadium for rugby, soccer and hosting concerts would have been perfect.
I grew up in Wellington and have also lived in Auckland for a decade so have been to Athletic Park, the Cake Tin and Eden Park a lot. By far the best experiences I've had for rugby are at Athletic Park and Eden Park purely because the view was so much better so I could follow the action much more easily. The view at the Cake Tin is pretty average no matter where you are.
The challenge for Auckland is they don't have a decent cricket ground, but at the same time it'd be a real mistake to replace Eden Park with an oval. I think they are best to upgrade Eden Park and then think about where they can put a more modest cricket ground.
i was trying to think if there was somewhere in auckland where they could do the same thing, although bigger as hagley park but cant think of anywhere central