Quay Park stadium for Auckland?
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@Tim bloody hell, I say one nice thing about the apocalyptic wasteland north of the Bridge, and you bring up Onewa?
Seriously though, I haven't been - is it in a volcano crater? All I know is the 1994 stories about the final there and the blood shed.
Sounds like NH has been wrecked for baseball too (before they went under). Pity if so.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Seriously though, I haven't been - is it in a volcano crater? All I know is the 1994 stories about the final there and the blood shed.
You never went to an NPC game there in the golden era? It was a great place to watch rugby. Very loud.
What the hell was Albany Stadium thinking with that baseball bullshit.
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RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
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@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
You never went to an NPC game there in the golden era?
Didn't relocate to Auckland till the late 90s. Cut my rugby teeth on the embankment at Carisbrook - back when crowds used to go to rugby and there were no TMO and no profesionalism. A totally different sport back then
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I've been to the caketin for the 7s years ago when the place was rocking. The bowl is not like a shitty cricket ground with their very slight gradients. The bowl at the caketin is made for rugby so is much steeper than a cricket ground. The best views are from the corners of the ground as they're quite close to the corner flag. The not so good views are from halfway - too far from the field.
On a slightly different note, I reckon if there was some environmentally friendly way to build some stands into the volcanic maunga in Auckland that would be quite unique. Obviously can't do it but there is actually a field up Mt Wellington (Maungarei) which is probably a little bit small for sport but not much smaller. Those who have been up Mt Welly know what I'm talking about.
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@nzzp Onewa was great for watching rugby Think like a club ground but with 10,000 spectators. Made a lot of noise. Helped that it was usually champagne rugby.
Couple hundred boys from Hato Petera doing a pre game haka. If it had rained you could start the game at the top of the embankment and end it at the railings
On a fine day (the majority) it was hard to beat you could wander around to follow the action.
After the game it was two minute walk back to Poe which was the teams HQ. Players would join you for a beer and a yarn. Shared many a jug with the likes of Buncey. -
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
It is for Rugby and other rectangular codes.
Dunedin, Hamilton and the old North Harbour stadia were all proper rectangles, and top tier rugby watching. Athletic Park was on there too.
Ovals/whatever Eden Park is now are all compromises to squeeze in cricket and boost usage. We have no money, so it makes sense on paper ... but we are finding out that multi purpose stadia are just not as good as specialised ones. And we don't fill them often enough.
In the 90s, a concourse around a stadium with full access for all fans was quite new. Cake Tin was amazing for its time, and is still solid as a venue
Ovals are a compromise for sure. But when you don't have the resources to build all types of grounds, something like the Caketin gives you the ability to host the widest range of events.
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@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
We don't want to hear about your mis-spent youth!
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@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
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It's funny hearing people complain about the Cake Tin. At least we bloody built it! Let's be honest, no-one is going to pay for any of these Auckland options. We got ours done, on time and with a decent budget and have been enjoying it for 24 years. Yes, you could make it better but then you might have never done it all.
What do we actually want from an Auckland stadium? Huge capacity? Roof? Location? Looking cool? It will be necessary to make choices because we can't get everything we want.
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum still attends games but sits in the stands somewhere behind me now. I can usually hear him yelling.
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@hydro11 said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
It's funny hearing people complain about the Cake Tin. At least we bloody built it! Let's be honest, no-one is going to pay for any of these Auckland options. We got ours done, on time and with a decent budget and have been enjoying it for 24 years. Yes, you could make it better but then you might have never done it all.
What do we actually want from an Auckland stadium? Huge capacity? Roof? Location? Looking cool? It will be necessary to make choices because we can't get everything we want.
Hear hear. People can moan about the Caketin all they like. But pretty pictures of a new stadium in downtown are a long way from sitting in said venue anytime soon. Anyone remember the Auckland Superdome? Auckland and Christchurch would bite someone's hand off to have a venue like the Caketin in their city. They should be so lucky
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It's funny hearing people complain about the Cake Tin. At least we bloody built it! Let's be honest, no-one is going to pay for any of these Auckland options. We got ours done, on time and with a decent budget and have been enjoying it for 24 years. Yes, you could make it better but then you might have never done it all.
What do we actually want from an Auckland stadium? Huge capacity? Roof? Location? Looking cool? It will be necessary to make choices because we can't get everything we want.
Hear hear. People can moan about the Caketin all they like. But pretty pictures of a new stadium in downtown are a long way from sitting in said venue anytime soon. Anyone remember the Auckland Superdome? Auckland and Christchurch would bite someone's hand off to have a venue like the Caketin in their city. They should be so lucky
I enjoyed watching rugby more at Athletic Park. It was just a pain getting to it and out. And of course, the wind factor.
Wellington had an opportunity to build something great. That was a football / rugby stadium with a roof. And this was pushed strongly by people at the time. An alternative that Wilson Whineray? looked at was at Porirua. This wasn't Oval. But cost cutting and stupidity won the day.
The quote for a top stadium with a roof was NZ$50 million more. It was very hard to get 125million over the line
I hope Auckland don't make the same mistake.
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
The Cake Tin had various options. One was a rectangular stadium with provision for a roof to be built later. My preferred option. And this cost was not too much more. This option would still be VG today
But it had to be a multi-purpose stadium, And as cheap as possible. Sadly, we had people in control of the money back then who were not smart
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@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
i didn;t realise this was the road we were going down....no, IMO Forsyth Barr is much better than the caketin, you chose the cheap "temp" seats, both permanent stands are steep giving a good view (someone tall in front of you doesnt block your view) and the north stand is even elevated so the front row is only about 15m from the touchline, its awesome
I didn't choose the seats, that's all we could get. I wasn't alone, I recall an ex-AB lock crammed glumly into a seat a few rows away. If you don't want me to judge the seat I was able to get, get me a new seat. I'm sure the view from the good seats is excellent. But in terms of a complete package the Caketin has more to offer
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@canefan come on, you dont think judging a whole stadium based on the one area you ended up in is a little harsh/bias? and trying to use someone who was sitting in an almost identical seat having the same opinion as support?...of course they has a similar opinion...maybe get some opinions of people that experienced more than the one area you sat in
ultimately im assuming were judging these on rugby...because this is a rugby forum...and a rectangular stadium is always going to have a leg up over an oval for viewing experience. I enjoyed the cake tin, i think its a good stadium especially compared too its contemporaries that we're normally ovals
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan come on, you dont think judging a whole stadium based on the one area you ended up in is a little harsh/bias? and trying to use someone who was sitting in an almost identical seat having the same opinion as support?...of course they has a similar opinion...maybe get some opinions of people that experienced more than the one area you sat in
ultimately im assuming were judging these on rugby...because this is a rugby forum...and a rectangular stadium is always going to have a leg up over an oval for viewing experience. I enjoyed the cake tin, i think its a good stadium especially compared too its contemporaries that we're normally ovals
I wasn't picking an argument with you, at the end of the day it was a response to those saying the tin is shit. Which is I believe incorrect and unfair
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@canefan and i agreed with you...and then you started taking swipes and forsyth bar for some reason
