Quay Park stadium for Auckland?
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman elevated stadium sounds cheap as chips
but less likely to flood than a sunken one
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman elevated stadium sounds cheap as chips
but less likely to flood than a sunken one
flogging a dead horse gif
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It's official. Council have advanced Eden Park and Quay Park to the next stage of the hunger games - feasibility stage. All to be funded by the bid teams themselves and done within six months.
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
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@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
seeing as stadiums seem to need large scale refits (or in some cases rebuilds) in that 25-30 year old period....bagging the 24 year old cake tin too much seems a bit route one...."hey old person....youre so old!"
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
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@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in Australasia -
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
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The caketin is great. Having a single bowl rather than individual stands means the atmosphere is generally better for an equivalent crowd (compared to my experiences at Eden park and the old chch stadium)
Being exposed is the kind of thing that you worry about before hand but once you're in the crowd it reads doesn't matter anymore.
By stadium seating standards they're comfortable and roomy. It's a shame they're all yellow because it makes gaps so much more obvious, but thats just cosmetic.
Being oval rather than rectangular is probably it's biggest fault, but I think the benefits of rectangles are exaggerated.
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
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@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
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Most of NZ has a relatively temperate climate. In general we don't need roofs on our stadia. When was the last time it snowed during a rugby game in NZ? Sure it rains, but not enough to justify a roof IMHO. And if you are going to have a roof, you had better go all the way and make it retractable
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The oval design of the Caketin makes you feel like you are a million miles away if you end up in the wrong seats, and it can be a cold shithole when it is cold, and rainy, and windy, which kind of feels Wellington's thing overall anyway.
That said, I had one of my best nights ever out in town after attending a game at the Caketin. So, thumbs up from me.
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@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@KiwiMurph said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble here is a top down view that provides a bit more of an idea of what it would look like
I think the tight measurements refer to where the stands meet the ground rather than the actual footprint. Having one end mostly open would save on footprint too.
So how are they accommodating the rail lines?
Underneath. The existing (temporary) beach road station there will then service both the indoor Arena next door as well as the new stadium.
Every single rail line in Auckland converges on that spot. Western line, eastern line, southern line, the CRL line. I can't think of a better spot for a stadium. Also, the ferries are one stop away outside Britomart.
I just hope Auckland can pull this off. And unlike Wellington (that also has a great location) build a great stadium. Not a piece of crap like the Cake Tin
When it was built, the Cake Tin was the premier stadium in NZ.
I am not sure i get the hate. I like it!
It's oval. There's no roof (it was discussed but it was decided it would cost too much). And it looks like a cake tin. A Fletcher Challenge cheap as possible design
The Dunedin stadium is far and away better
and build 12 years later....and surrounded by huge controversy re cost
to your other points
A ) oval....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time
B ) no roof....like almost all of NZ's premier stadiums up to that time...and still like all but 2 in AustralasiaI've been to Forsyth Barr for a test match. The idea was impressive, but for me the execution was lacking. The main stand is excellent. However I sat in cramped seats in a temporary style stand at one end. And it was quicker for me to run outside and piss under a tree than to wait in line for the stadium toilets
I think you have to be realistic. It's a 30k roofed stadium in a city with 135k people. Beggars can't be choosers.
Sure. But to say Forsyth Barr is better than the Caketin is frankly ridiculous
It is for Rugby and other rectangular codes.
Dunedin, Hamilton and the old North Harbour stadia were all proper rectangles, and top tier rugby watching. Athletic Park was on there too.
Ovals/whatever Eden Park is now are all compromises to squeeze in cricket and boost usage. We have no money, so it makes sense on paper ... but we are finding out that multi purpose stadia are just not as good as specialised ones. And we don't fill them often enough.
In the 90s, a concourse around a stadium with full access for all fans was quite new. Cake Tin was amazing for its time, and is still solid as a venue
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Revamped Eden Park and Quay Park precinct named as preferred choices for Auckland stadium
