Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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@bayimports said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Cashmore needs to get significant game time at SR level first.
He probably wouldn't have even started for BOP if Trask was fit, so likely got more NPC time than expected.
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@ploughboy said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
my guess dmac barrett plus who ever starts at the crusaders
I suspect that "whoever starts at the Crusaders" is pretty good guess. 😔
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@Mr-Fish said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Barrett won't technically be available for the July Tests (unless there's an injury etc) even if he signs a new deal with NZR.
It's likely McKenzie and Perofeta will be selected in the first squad of the year alongside one young gun.
I agree with some others on here that Sullivan looks a better prospect at fullback (and with Jordie moving to the midfield, that's now looking like a far better long-term option for him than in the past). I think Brett Cameron is probably the current next cab off the ranks and Havili will almost certainly be in the squad too, and he might end up playing 10 for the Crusaders.
A very left-field option could be Rameka Poihipi. As with many other 'options', however, that's dependent on him getting some minutes there during Super Rugby, which is far from guaranteed.
That is quite the left-field option you mentioned there. Any particular reason (ito the qualities that he possesses) that makes you think he can make the switch? Just curious.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up from what I've seen, he's a smart, well-rounded player. Had at least one go at ten for the chiefs this year didn't he?
Yes, against the Force. Poihipi was a 1st 5 at school, but more suited to 12 now.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up from what I've seen, he's a smart, well-rounded player. Had at least one go at ten for the chiefs this year didn't he?
Yeah, I think you're spot on re him playing at ten for one game. I think his standout quality is at times making lightning fast decisions (which is a good trait to at 10 or midfield). Haven't considered him before tbh.
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Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
It was early in SR 2020 against the Chiefs. The Chiefs won 25-15
From memory he looked good in the first half (and TJ was furiously masterbating) then he faded in the second half
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@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them
Looks like he's only had one start at 10 (maybe he moved there late in other games?)
That's quite possible. My memory is that whenever Dave's been at 10, we've lost - and that it's been more than once.
I'm pretty sure he's never started at 10 for the Mako (or, more accurately, I don't remember it happening), so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
so it's a pretty thin body of work to even be mentioned as an option for the Crusaders, let alone the ABs.
I agree
However the rumour is that he'll have first shot at the Crusaders. If you are starting regularly for a SR side you aren't that far away.
Only 5 SR sides & the ABs will pick 3 10's
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth That's a rumour I don't really believe.
I think they'll give the young first fives first go and would only go to DH if they completely self-destruct.
Havilli will be 2nd five,Penny will give Kemera first go I think,If he doesn't step up Reihana will be next option.
They will use Havilli to guide the young First fives from 2nd five,, I think Hotham may be starting HB. -
if DH is starting at 12 for the Crusaders then they should not be favourite for the comp
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@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Something changed? You were picking DH to be at ten a couple of weeks ago?
Yeah Havilli is not keen on First Five and the thinking is I heard Havilli will be better off guiding the young First five on his outside.
With Heinz really not being able to be carried in 2025 at the age of 38 and Drummond will be 31 then so they need to blood another HB in 2025,
the need is to Start Hotham to get him established, Kemera and Hotham have played a fair bit together at school and NZ u/20s,
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@Chris-B said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Jesus, can we please move on from Havili at 10? If it’s said often enough it might happen and that would be disastrous. And if he ends up having to play there for the Saders they are fucked. I don't want him anywhere near the Black 10 jersey.
Halfpenny sparked rumours this week as he expressed an open interest in the No 10 jersey vacated by Mo’unga, although emphasised he is very much a fullback at heart.
Penney shut down the chat over any potential shift, and also denied any likelihood of seeing David Havili move into first five-eighth.
“It’s a great opportunity for someone to put their hand up,” he said. “Taha (Kemara) has been here for a season now and is a very talented individual, and Rivez (Reihana) matured and led Northland around really effectively.
Dave's started two or three times at 10 for the Crusaders and I think we might have lost all of them. He will be 29 next month.
Will only happen in an emergency for the Crusaders. Never happening for the ABs.
Once again the Crusaders are the only team really giving young players or talented players new to their squad a proper shot.
