All Blacks 2024
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@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby you say 'let's see what Super Rugby brings'
A number of guys carved up in Super Rugby this year and were barely given an opportunity.
Lam
Love
ProctorEtc etc
And the irony is - for the most part - the guys who were given a shot in black on the back of Super rugby form looked good.
Meanwhile these established guys rack up test after test with mediocrity (Havili, ALB, Rieko, Jacobson etc).
Havili and ALB have had their time. Absolutely need to introduce new options there. Neither offers enough. Reiko still has something in him, but how do we unlock it consistently?
Give him some time and space for one thing. Plummer seemed to do it during Super. Of course the Blues backs stood a little deeper
reeks seems to have one job with AB's which is crash ball. He just aint that big ball carrier type though.
Weird. He’s the greatest Rugby athlete ever according to some on here.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby you say 'let's see what Super Rugby brings'
A number of guys carved up in Super Rugby this year and were barely given an opportunity.
Lam
Love
ProctorEtc etc
And the irony is - for the most part - the guys who were given a shot in black on the back of Super rugby form looked good.
Meanwhile these established guys rack up test after test with mediocrity (Havili, ALB, Rieko, Jacobson etc).
Havili and ALB have had their time. Absolutely need to introduce new options there. Neither offers enough. Reiko still has something in him, but how do we unlock it consistently?
Give him some time and space for one thing. Plummer seemed to do it during Super. Of course the Blues backs stood a little deeper
reeks seems to have one job with AB's which is crash ball. He just aint that big ball carrier type though.
He also has poor hands - especially with short balls close to the defensive line
So what do they do - constantly have him run onto short balls close to the line
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
What would a hypothetical All Blacks side look like with offshore players? One thing not being discussed is the number of Kiwis in Aussie Super Rugby teams, even the Drua.
I'll start this list:
- Akira Ioane.
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one thing i feel ive noticed and i was never a back so might be wrong but we seem to be very flat footed, even if RI is just doing crash ball...surely its a lot harder if hes stationary or at most trotting....other teams do seem to attack with more speed
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
So what do they do - constantly have him run onto short balls close to the line
Basically the same as last year too. JB was making slightly better decisions last year and the opposition defence has had even more time to counter it. Here's an article from early in the 2023 season
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
one thing i feel ive noticed and i was never a back so might be wrong but we seem to be very flat footed, even if RI is just doing crash ball...surely its a lot harder if hes stationary or at most trotting....other teams do seem to attack with more speed
It's all part of the genius plan. See, attacking rugby is the ABs DNA, and taking the ball, flat at the line against hard rushing defence is the best way to show the kiwi way and our skill advantages. Even better, if you are standing still when you receive the ball, and there is no deception, which really helps showcasing the awesome kiwi-superiority-skill all-DNA-blacks way (TM). You've got to go wide at every opportunity too, look at the 2015 RWC, Wayne Smith says, and he should know. Finally, and obviously, the best players to show this great kiwi way of playing are those playing in overseas comps, where they are not at all involved in teams that use deception, depth, and boring non DNA grinding/technical rugby.
Fucking genius!
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@Machpants and everyone of them seems to not only get the ball standing still...but the do a little two step on the spot before getting folded
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants and everyone of them seems to not only get the ball standing still...but the do a little two step on the spot before getting folded
After the Irish had the wood over us, last few years, we also introduced some river dance to our DNA
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby you say 'let's see what Super Rugby brings'
A number of guys carved up in Super Rugby this year and were barely given an opportunity.
Lam
Love
ProctorEtc etc
And the irony is - for the most part - the guys who were given a shot in black on the back of Super rugby form looked good.
Meanwhile these established guys rack up test after test with mediocrity (Havili, ALB, Rieko, Jacobson etc).
Havili and ALB have had their time. Absolutely need to introduce new options there. Neither offers enough. Reiko still has something in him, but how do we unlock it consistently?
Not have a gameplan that not only asks him to crash ball, but to receive passes at the same time as he gets tackled. Fastest bloke on the team and that's the genius level coaching maximising player's strengths.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like the NZ rugby media is trying to gaslight me
Paul Cully did a World XV article today, and put the "consistently excellent" Ardie Savea in it. At openside. The fuck?
He also added Wallace Sititi, which in itself is not a terrible call, but at #8?Apparently Rob Valetini doesn't exist aye Paul?
i had a discussion with someone this week who insisted "everyone" knows BB has been consistently excellent this year.....i feel like im going insane
further to this, i just saw a post on the International rugby facebook group, someone claiming razor had done well and was building for the future....and a series of replies talking about a young squad and great building and i feel like im going insane!
why not go for youth this year...why wait for next year? people seemto think it makes perfect sense....
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Also Jordie Barrett the play maker?? with that passing game and that decision making? riiiight
Jordie has been underwhelming all year, I said it at the end of the Canes season. Don’t get me wrong Jordie has his moments but he’s not a playmaker and his decision making is horrible. He also has a long history of fluffing shit up when the pressure comes on.
I feel like Razor has the Barrett’s permanently penciled into his 15 and there’s no changing his mind, especially considering one of them is the captain. I’m happy to throw it out there, I’ don’t think any of them should be in our starting side atm and there’s a couple more names in that boat as well.
What could have been if we actually fking picked on form.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
France and South Africa have some serious depth and high calibre players.
They're tough, smart and they use their bench well. I think their playmakers/game managers are better than ours.
So good they barely scrape past us ...
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
France and South Africa have some serious depth and high calibre players.
They're tough, smart and they use their bench well. I think their playmakers/game managers are better than ours.
So good they barely scrape past us ...
France have beat us comfortably the previous two times. They had a bunch of key players out in the game we just played and I don't think they got our of third gear.
South Africa beat us with their A team and their B team.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Also Jordie Barrett the play maker?? with that passing game and that decision making? riiiight
Jordie has been underwhelming all year, I said it at the end of the Canes season. Don’t get me wrong Jordie has his moments but he’s not a playmaker and his decision making is horrible. He also has a long history of fluffing shit up when the pressure comes on.
I feel like Razor has the Barrett’s permanently penciled into his 15 and there’s no changing his mind, especially considering one of them is the captain. I’m happy to throw it out there, I’ don’t think any of them should be in our starting side atm and there’s a couple more names in that boat as well.
What could have been if we actually fking picked on form.
Jordie is also not that great at what he’s supposedly really good at ( carting the ball up )
Other international midfielders do it far better.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
I feel like Razor has the Barrett’s permanently penciled into his 15 and there’s no changing his mind, especially considering one of them is the captain. I’m happy to throw it out there, I’ don’t think any of them should be in our starting side atm and there’s a couple more names in that boat as well.
He won't even sub Beaudy off the field.
We only won at Twickenham because Beauden was forced off of the field with a HIA - forcing Telea back on the field who then scored the match winning try (never mind Telea was subbed off whilst having his best test in 2024....)
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
France and South Africa have some serious depth and high calibre players.
They're tough, smart and they use their bench well. I think their playmakers/game managers are better than ours.
So good they barely scrape past us ...
Scary to think what we could have done if we'd picked the best players and had a decent test match suitable gameplan
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Also Jordie Barrett the play maker?? with that passing game and that decision making? riiiight
Jordie has been underwhelming all year, I said it at the end of the Canes season. Don’t get me wrong Jordie has his moments but he’s not a playmaker and his decision making is horrible. He also has a long history of fluffing shit up when the pressure comes on.
I feel like Razor has the Barrett’s permanently penciled into his 15 and there’s no changing his mind, especially considering one of them is the captain. I’m happy to throw it out there, I’ don’t think any of them should be in our starting side atm and there’s a couple more names in that boat as well.
What could have been if we actually fking picked on form.
Jordie is also not that great at what he’s supposedly really good at ( carting the ball up )
Other international midfielders do it far better.
Definitely had a down year. I'm not sure it will get better with him taking his OE
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby you say 'let's see what Super Rugby brings'
A number of guys carved up in Super Rugby this year and were barely given an opportunity.
Lam
Love
ProctorEtc etc
And the irony is - for the most part - the guys who were given a shot in black on the back of Super rugby form looked good.
Meanwhile these established guys rack up test after test with mediocrity (Havili, ALB, Rieko, Jacobson etc).
Havili and ALB have had their time. Absolutely need to introduce new options there. Neither offers enough. Reiko still has something in him, but how do we unlock it consistently?
Give him some time and space for one thing. Plummer seemed to do it during Super. Of course the Blues backs stood a little deeper
I am not sure about RI getting more space in Super rugby. That's not how the Blues used their midfield. I recall asking Blue's fans during the season if they were happy with RI's form, because I had noticed him being rather inconspicuous. The gist of the replies suggested he was doing the tight stuff.
Also, from memory, RI didn't score a try during the Super Season. That too would suggest he wasn't playing in space.
