All Blacks 2024
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
the fuck are they going to do? are they suddenly twice the player they were 12 months ago?
I mean, the downward slide (@nostrildamus ) could be a cunning plan from Razor to get his way and bring back his guys (that all signed overseas contracts as soon as he was announced as coach).
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The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
Have you been taking funny pills ? Your recent posts are even better than usual !
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
Isn't it NZR's media channel?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
Have you been taking funny pills ? Your recent posts are even better than usual !
The only way is up.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
then the TOGETHER WE WA.. should finish with 2 different letters..
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
Two of the tries weren’t a result of the defensive system, they were down to player error and poor decision.
I’d say the concerning thing was the poor discipline which was more disappointing because it not only shipped points but it had been pretty good against England and Fiji.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
Two of the tries weren’t a result of the defensive system, they were down to player error and poor decision.
Is the try off the scrum one? Gone are the days where you could bank on the ABs defending that against a non top 5 nation.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
I expect this from @nostrildamus , not you
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy
after 20 years of fun, market forces are finally starting to come into effect
still think NZ his intrinsic advantages over just about every other country
the game played by kids in the backyard is rugby, not soccer football, as by all others
we will always have at least a small edge in individual skills and game instincts
currently this edge is easily negated by the best opponentsThe de-skilling and powering-up of the game will negate any advantage we have from those instincts because those instincts are honed by little kids playing a low contact, high speed, ball in hand game. Those instincts just aren't suited at all to modern test rugby.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
Maybe they're not Razor's mates...?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
Plus none of those players listed have gone into coaching
And it's unclear whether any of them are Razor's mates.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
Genuine question, it's 2024 why are we even in the comparing Razor and Foster's records, they got nothing to do with each other, Foster was in the 2019-23 threads. They got different teams, play diiferent teams, haven't got same thing going on etc etc. I think we should just look at 2024.
I thought I lived in the past. I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!This is such a retarded argument - if the only thing that matters is the quality of the players, then why even bother appointing a coach, let alone going through the "process" of considering various candidates for the role? Just appoint me as the coach then if there's nothing that can be done with the shit talent we have available.
We all know that we have don't have the talent we once did - that's not the point. Irrespective of the available talent ,you expect the coach to pick the best of that available talent and not just his mates. You also expect the coach to implement a game plan that gets the most out of that talent. You also expect that that talent doesn't constantly make braindead decisions on the field and thereby exacerbate their lack of talent relative to their opposition or predecessors. In short, you expect the coach to make lemonade out of whatever lemons he has at his disposal.
One of the criticisms constantly - and fairly - levelled at Foster is that his teams performed at a level that was less than the sum of their parts. That is also the reality we are living in now with the new coaching regime under the Cantab Messiah.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
the fuck are they going to do? are they suddenly twice the player they were 12 months ago?
I mean, the downward slide (@nostrildamus ) could be a cunning plan from Razor to get his way and bring back his guys (that all signed overseas contracts as soon as he was announced as coach).
At this stage, he should just pick his last Crusaders team - at least they would all know each other and the game plan.
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@junior Why is a retarded argument to say just perhaps we haven't got world beating players. I genuinely don't think we have. although we have good ones, we haven't got more than one or 2 at a push would make a world XV.
My question was why are we comparing Foster and Razor in 2024 AB thread, shouldn't that be elsewhere, Foster has absolutely no say in this team. It's like saying we would of done such and such with McCaw and Carter etc.
I suggesting we look at who we got now and at coached we got now , comparing past does nothing. Where in that post did I suggest you have just any coach because the players aren't as good as they were? -
it is the chicken and the egg though.
SA were probably saying they didn't have the players when we beat them by 50 at NH stadium then Erassmus came along and alot of those players suddenly go on to be the players that would last year fill up most spots in a world 15. If our players were better selected and coached and player to a gameplan that suits test rugby and our skills would they all be contenders for a world 15?
