All Blacks 2024
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Just on Rieko and his “limited” distribution - I’ll need to go and rewatch a heap of games, but feel like I can count on one finger the number of times where he’s received the ball in space and had the option to go himself or put someone into space. Just seems like it’s crash ball every time, and I put that down to gameplay and Jordie more than Rieko’s limitations
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
Telea looks to have lost a yard of pace from last year, whether through injury or hitting the 27 years mark. He needs to re-find it, because we have plenty of good wings.
Seemed to lose some speed mid season of Super Rugby.
Maybe he lost speed mid season I don't know, but the guy has always been on the slow side. I am not sure why people are surprised by this.
He's never been express.
But, the last couple of tests he's repeatedly been cutting back inside which is a giveaway that your opponent has you beaten for pace.
I don't recall that from last year - not when he had an outside break.
true, the thing we might be underestimating is his ability to make ground through congestion (either breaking tackles or just threading the needle), worst case with cutting back is you are closer to your support, best case make a break towards the posts, im still very happy with Telea...with a little work to be done on positioning on defence
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
At 6, we really need a legitimate third lineout jumper. If not Finau, then Suafoa, Dunshea and Hannah are guys with the desired dimensions.
Wait… When you say this, are you referring to them being possible options for the All Blacks at 6? Or just line out options in their preferred positions? Really need some clarity on this😂
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
Just on Rieko and his “limited” distribution - I’ll need to go and rewatch a heap of games, but feel like I can count on one finger the number of times where he’s received the ball in space and had the option to go himself or put someone into space. Just seems like it’s crash ball every time, and I put that down to gameplay and Jordie more than Rieko’s limitations
Agreed.
Jordie aint a crash hot passer.
He's like an unco' giraffe.
And that's what we have in the midfield right now, two physically gifted players or aren't natural distributors (aaaah for the days of Nonu) -
@Landers92 Just guys with the desired size.
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@Chris-B Considering Hannah is built like a street light, you can put a scratch through him right now. Dunshea, as you suggested the athleticism isn’t near where it needs to be.
Only one would be Suafoa, but in my opinion he is way off being an international 6. I would have Oli Haig and Devan Flanders before all of the above. 6’s dont have to be extremely tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
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@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
If we are going to persist with Ardie at 8 then I reckon a tall 6 is almost a necessity.
However, I don't really disagree with you.
They will persist with Finau and bodge through with Blackadder and Jacobsen - and then Frizell will come back next year.
Finau will come right and be the long term future.
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@mariner4life Snap!
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024:
aaaah for the days of Nonu
he learned distribution too - he was not a natural at all. Started on the wing for the ABs I think -against Ireland in Ireland I think?
Incredible transformation; his monster miss on BOD in Hamilton had folk saying 'never again' for the ABs. Go figure.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
He must have been standing in a hole when these pictures were taken then….
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
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was that really necessary mate?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
*covered lock a handfull of times, +95% of the time was 6,think he played lock for Ta$man more
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
And I think both were excellent lifters too.
You really want your top 6 playing there week in, week out in Super rugby.
I cannot believe I'm writing this, but I think Grace would be the player I'd have there if I can't pick Ioane and Finau isn't ready.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
OK, then fuck that idea!
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
