All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life Yeah, it kind of is. Certainly a big part of being an enforcer amongst other things, unless of course you like having 10s constantly attack the line at will?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't mind the Sititi selection, I won't get to see it but a Finau Savea (at 7) and Sititi combo would have been interesting. Then again start Sotutu at 8 then Sititi off the bench, grab some popcorn and listen to the international commentators try to get across that..
Ardie is our 8. He's world rugby player ,playing at 8, why would you change him?
I'm not. It's just the only way I could shoehorn in these 3 players. Oh and I'm not saying they should be the AB combo either, just that I wanted to see them in this combo out of interest.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean
Ardie is a total energizer bunny workhorse who stood out even when we played shit.Sure - all that energy saved from not putting a hard shoulder on, leaning on rucks catching his breath.
Someone is butt hurt their golden boy didn’t make the ABs. Jog on.
Not my golden boy.
You know the criticisms are true because your only response is to go herp derp WR PoTY. Not the selection of dominant tackles preventing a team making metres. Not hitting rucks slowing down their ball.
You even admit we need to pick players to do the work he isn't. That's telling.
Yes he is. You’re taking all your frustrations out on Ardie because Sotutu missed out.
Show me the stats that show Ardie didn’t make dominant tackles etc. you’re full of shit. Ask Eben Etzebeth what it’s like getting chucked around by Ardie if he doesn’t do the hard work like you say he does.
You’re just a sheep echoing what other people are saying. Ardie is the hardest working player in the ABs apart from maybe Whitelock. Get wrecked.
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Is it Thursday yet?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Havili shouldn't even be cover IMO. I don't mind the Bower cover choice but the Havili call shits me. Surely there is more reliable or fresh talent to build up. A J Lam for example.
Couldn’t agree more. Anyone, just anyone. Lam, Higgins, Plummer, Tupaea, Poihipi, fuck I’d even say Dallas McLeod at this point. Havili has peaked and almost the gracious age of 30. Surely cover should be used to get promising talent in and around the environment?! But hey, Havili is well known to be a Razor favorite so it checks out.
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
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@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were giving of Savea..
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This was the All Blacks MOTM standings at the end of last year. Clearly people have short memories about Ardie completely killing it last year.
18 Jordie Barrett
17 Ardie Savea
15 Mark Telea
13 Scott Barrett
13 Will Jordan
11 Damian McKenzie
11 Cam Roigard
10 Brodie Retallick
9 Aaron Smith
8 Richie Mo'unga
8 Shannon Frizell
8 Leicester Fainga'anuku
7 Rieko Iaone
6 Sam Cane
4 Sam Whitelock
2 Ethan de Groot
2 Codie Taylor
2 Samipeni Finau
1 Dalton Papali'i -
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were given of Savea..
when was Sotutu last in the ABs? Seems to be a better player defensively than before as well.
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@nzzp Finau is a must at blindside given his size and lineout work.
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@nostrildamus 2022 and he was the worst performing loose forward for the All Blacks that season, by a sizeable margin.
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And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
Like I said before, it's the coaches problem to figure that out. They need to select players that can work with Ardie, or better yet not get red carded when it matters most.
