All Blacks 2024
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think. -
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
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@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
look, it's good for a run in the legs, but preparing for a test by playing glorified park footy is not ideal. But you are right, the guys not in the 23 should be released on weekends to get a run.
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well well, how the turntables....
Crusaders fans now think playing in a shit team is actually better for your selection chances. Can't think what brought that change on
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A missed opportunity for an AB XV to play Georgia as they will be down this way to play Aust.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.
Yup, a lot of factors go into selection, but I asked a question and you went off on a completely different subject.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
Shouldn't you should be complaining about it to the player's association.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It's worth noting there's under 2 weeks from Razor's first squad naming until the first test
That may hint towards a more conservative squad selection initially.
I was surprised, as previously it has been after the semis, I think? And that is with an existing coaching group. You would get a decent start on you squad, and some training extras just for numbers & a quick look, if they announced after the semis or even quarters. 2 weeks is not long for brand new set up!
From an article in The Roar
But the inescapable perception is that Cane was Fosterâs man, the one sitting beside him when the All Blacks lost to Argentina for the first time, when they dropped a series to Ireland, when they were walloped for the worst loss in the teamâs history last year against the Springboks.
Heâs also the man who put in what was arguably the greatest individual performance at flanker since McCaw, when the All Blacks beat Ireland in an epic quarterfinal. A player who put his body on the line so much for the jersey he broke his neck in a Test. That in itself should be the first thing people remember Sam Cane for, however once he hangs up his boots for good and decides to give his honest side of the story, that may well be pretty memorable too.
Pretty fair I think, he had some great games but some real shockers and is tarnished as the continuity Foster boy - esp when he often was nowhere near the best 7. If he is injured until Aug and no games since Jan, there is no way he should be in ABs - he's not McCaw up to speed in 5 seconds and that is long break. On top of going from Japan League to Test rugby
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Shouldn't you should be complaining about it to the players association.
Fuck no way? This isn't where we do out official complaints?
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taniwharugbyreplied to ruggabee on 14 May 2024, 07:15 last edited by taniwharugby 14 May 2024, 07:17
@ruggabee honestly don't care that much to bother even if they cared what I thought.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
England capped dick fingers Brad Shields?
It's the oil from the fish and chips, mate.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew Bryn Hall a few rugby pods ago said the Razor likes to have a few of his 'supporters' in the sheds to facilitate the message.
Of course those donkeys would support him if it got them an undeserved AB cap.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.Then that makes the possible selection of Christie even more baffling. Armchair ride - still shit.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go đ
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.Then that makes the possible selection of Christie even more baffling. Armchair ride - still shit.
Maybe he wonât get selected this year.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Drummy, Drummy, Drummy!
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
I'd like to think looking at Funaki specifically selectors would also factor in his ability to get himself out of trouble (physicality and decision making) and his accurate passing also contributes to the forward pack going forward.
He helps contribute to the Blues pack going forward.
Not to mention how well Funaki played in a game where the opposition forward pack fronted (Reds)
Not expecting Funaki to get named but he is worthy of consideration on form.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
I'd like to think looking at Funaki specifically selectors would also factor in his ability to get himself out of trouble (physicality and decision making) and his accurate passing also contributes to the forward pack going forward.
He helps contribute to the Blues pack going forward.
Not to mention how well Funaki played in a game where the opposition forward pack fronted (Reds)
Not expecting Funaki to get named but he is worthy of consideration on form.
I think Funaki is probably behind Ratima in the pecking order. Would prefer either player to Fakatava at this stage.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
England capped dick fingers Brad Shields?
It's the oil from the fish and chips, mate.
I thought his hands got stuck in toasters ?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Maybe he wonât get selected this year.
Perenara, Funaki, Ratima... PLEASE Razor
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Maybe he wonât get selected this year.
Perenara, Funaki, Ratima... PLEASE Razor
Think the latter 2 may get a run this year, but I'd expect Christie to be in his first squad on experience. TJP to start. If TJP injured, then roll the dice - Christie in the starting XV makes me nervious.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Maybe he wonât get selected this year.
Perenara, Funaki, Ratima... PLEASE Razor
Think the latter 2 may get a run this year, but I'd expect Christie to be in his first squad on experience. TJP to start. If TJP injured, then roll the dice - Christie in the starting XV makes me nervious.
I just can't see the point in selecting on experience in this case. It's not like any other selection is an absolute rookie and the experience you're selecting isn't that great when he's in form, let alone when he's looking in poor form.
If TJ gets injured then maybe throw him a bone to sit on the bench.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Bones on 14 May 2024, 12:40 last edited by Victor Meldrew 14 May 2024, 12:40
TBH I agree with you and Christie is limited at Test level. Just think they'll be nervous about picking one of two Test rookies against England and will go with Christie.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
TBH I agree with you and Christie is limited at Test level. Just think they'll be nervous about picking one of two Test rookies against England and will go with Christie.
I could understand the logic if it was TJ in Christie's form and vice versa. I just don't think Christie's experience shines out, nor has he proved a worthy performer.
It'll be disappointing if that's the path they take.
It's only England...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Robertson clearly has the hots for Havili though so I think we'll see him in the squad to cover 10 & 12. Going forward, I'm keeping an eye on Quinn Tupaea - he seems to be getting back to some good form.
The way JK was talking on Breakdown, Havili's ability to play 10, 12 ,13 and 15 would be attractive to Razor.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
Sorry but did you just saw Hopefully McWhannell?! Plenty better talent than him around. Akira will be very lucky to be selected by Razor in my opinion, itâs 2 of him, Finau and Sotutu and I think itâs the latter 2. Funaki is an argument but I think they will go with Fakatava or Ratima. Should see Narawa selected in the back 3 with Reece, Clark, Love, Telea, with possibly Stevenson solely on merit. No will Jordan gives someone a real shot here for that 15 jersey assuming Beaudy isnât playing there.
Either way, I think it will be a team with very few surprises as Razor will want to just get a feel for a few players and go with the players he is familiar with for now due to a squad being selected so soon. Looking forward to the series.
I'd be stunned if Vaa'i isnt in squad. We need a genuine international middle of the lineout option. Darry is tall enough, but didn't get used much there against Canes. Was hoping to see him vs Delany. Lord out. Strange for me is only Super level. Hannah too green and light. McWhannell is more a front of the lineout build.
Who am I missing?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If we only select 6 loosies, who are then? Papali'i, Jacobsen, Sotutu, Blackadder, Finau and Savea? With Lakai selected as a so-called training member?
That looks pretty close to me.
Assuming Cane isn't available for Pom tests, I'd assume Jacobson OR Blackadder.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Landers92 yeah he's eligible I'm pretty sure. Who do we select then if Finau and Blackadder aren't available? Razor isn't going to select Ioane, he's crumbled under pressure so many times and is far too inconsistent. Razor may go with Grace but the ABs won't dominate physically with him there. Who else is there? I mean if we're still picking Cane then why wouldn't Shields be in the mix? He's one of the form blindsides in Super this year.
I thought Akira had the better of Shields on Saturday even after TJP butted him.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Duluth Case in point being when he got the ball with space out wide in the first half against the Canes. In 2016 he probably goes the length of the field and scores. Today, definitely not haha.
He was better in the wider channels up until about 2022. He doesn't have the same athleticism to play wider anymore, so he has no choice but to play a tighter game that involves more contact.
It helps that he's playing under a coach domestically that can get the best out of him playing closer to the ruck.
I think he may have bulked up for SV.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It was his first game in 2 months and people expected him to be playing the house down after watching Savea play for 2 months straight
and this is where our current season structure just sucks. Once super rugby finishes, these guys don't get to play high level rugby unless they are in the test team.
There could be an interesting idea there to build an NZ specific model to allow that focused on what NZR really cares about - the AB brand.
It would require cooperation from Oz and SA though, so I don't like the chances, however, if SANZAAR allowed two teams from the Pacific Nations Cup to come up to the Rugby Championship (likely Fiji and Japan who could play off with the other nations to allow movement between the competitions), we could add the ABXV or Maori AB team to that competition (likely alongside Australia A). If OZ didn't or couldn't participate, we could have two teams in the competition.
We could then have at least one of our second teams competing against Samoa, Tonga, USA, and Canada. Whether the level of that competition is stronger or weaker than NPC is a separate question, but it would allow for collaboration across the two squads and have guys in the next tier playing if and when injuries strike.
Feel free to bag this, I'm not wedded to it, just putting it up for discussion.
Or a second tier championship with islands, AB XV and Oz XV, and maybe Japan?
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman I bet you anything in the world he wonât be unless dmac is injured.
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There was a lot of good will towards Scott Robertson's appointment, but to me he's blown it with his constant yearning after former All Blacks who have gone overseas. First it was Sam Whitelock, then Richie Mo'unga, not Shannon Frizell. No one forced those players to sign overseas and turn their backs on the All Blacks.
The All Blacks coach should be focussing on coaching the players he has available up to World-Cup winning standard. There's a lot of talent coming through our Super Franchise at the moment. I'd prefer to see those players given the chance rather than those who cashed in and choose to terminate their All Blacks careers.
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I take all that with a grain of salt.
What has he really said? I believe it is the media looking for drama where there really isn't any.Would you like to see Mo'unga come back?
Of courseAnd there is your headline
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Brad Shields? How has his name even entered this thread đ
Because Hurricanes
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I dont really see it as Robertson chasing them, more speculation in the media given some discussions and ill advised quotes earlier from Razor.
Whitelock, turned out to be a red herring and media beat up.
He hasnât even named a squad yet so he is hardly in the position of needing to send an sos to save his jobâŚ.just yet!
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It was a bit more than media hype. Whether he does come back is another matter, but Lendrum's words were:
âWe would love Richie home as soon as we can. There are contracts. We respect those. Heâs employed by Toshiba currently but weâll be involved in conversations to see whatâs possible.â
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Ratima may end up starting for the MÄori against the Japan XV rather than only being a squadie in the ABs. The initial AB squad is only for the England and Fiji tests.
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DaGrubsterreplied to Victor Meldrew on 14 May 2024, 20:03 last edited by DaGrubster 14 May 2024, 20:07
I read that as:
We would like him home
We respect Toshibas contract even though we are talking about it to the press
We hope to be involved but have no meetings planned to talk about it but hope to.Moâunga has been there 6 months and has not missed an AB test yet. He is on a 3 year deal.
Unless he and his family hates it there, it seems to be a non starter and poor timing to be mouthing off about it and will only serve to antagonise Mounga and his employer.
If I was in charge of player contracts at Toshiba, I would be asking Mounga what is going on? Are you not happy and want to leave? Why are you talking to NZR?
If NZR were in serious discussion with either party they would keep it very quiet so it doesnât jeopardise a potential Deal. The fact they are talking like this makes me think they are very much on the outside looking in and have no talks
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