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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to Chris on last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉

    Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
    Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
    Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.

    We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.

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    replied to mariner4life on last edited by
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    @mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Bones on last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉

    Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
    Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
    Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.

    We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.

    Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.

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    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by
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    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.

    look, it's good for a run in the legs, but preparing for a test by playing glorified park footy is not ideal. But you are right, the guys not in the 23 should be released on weekends to get a run.

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  • mariner4lifeM Online
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    well well, how the turntables....

    Crusaders fans now think playing in a shit team is actually better for your selection chances. Can't think what brought that change on

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    #2086

    A missed opportunity for an AB XV to play Georgia as they will be down this way to play Aust.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to Chris on last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉

    Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
    Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
    Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.

    We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.

    Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.

    Yup, a lot of factors go into selection, but I asked a question and you went off on a completely different subject.

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    replied to Chris on last edited by ruggabee
    #2088

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.

    Shouldn't you should be complaining about it to the player's association.

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    replied to KiwiMurph on last edited by
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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    It's worth noting there's under 2 weeks from Razor's first squad naming until the first test

    That may hint towards a more conservative squad selection initially.

    I was surprised, as previously it has been after the semis, I think? And that is with an existing coaching group. You would get a decent start on you squad, and some training extras just for numbers & a quick look, if they announced after the semis or even quarters. 2 weeks is not long for brand new set up!

    From an article in The Roar

    But the inescapable perception is that Cane was Foster’s man, the one sitting beside him when the All Blacks lost to Argentina for the first time, when they dropped a series to Ireland, when they were walloped for the worst loss in the team’s history last year against the Springboks.

    He’s also the man who put in what was arguably the greatest individual performance at flanker since McCaw, when the All Blacks beat Ireland in an epic quarterfinal. A player who put his body on the line so much for the jersey he broke his neck in a Test. That in itself should be the first thing people remember Sam Cane for, however once he hangs up his boots for good and decides to give his honest side of the story, that may well be pretty memorable too.

    Pretty fair I think, he had some great games but some real shockers and is tarnished as the continuity Foster boy - esp when he often was nowhere near the best 7. If he is injured until Aug and no games since Jan, there is no way he should be in ABs - he's not McCaw up to speed in 5 seconds and that is long break. On top of going from Japan League to Test rugby

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to ruggabee on last edited by
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    @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Shouldn't you should be complaining about it to the players association.

    Fuck no way? This isn't where we do out official complaints?

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    replied to ruggabee on last edited by taniwharugby
    #2091

    @ruggabee honestly don't care that much to bother even if they cared what I thought.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Online
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    replied to mariner4life on last edited by
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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    England capped dick fingers Brad Shields?

    It's the oil from the fish and chips, mate.

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    replied to pakman on last edited by
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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Victor-Meldrew Bryn Hall a few rugby pods ago said the Razor likes to have a few of his 'supporters' in the sheds to facilitate the message.

    Of course those donkeys would support him if it got them an undeserved AB cap.

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  • FrankF Offline
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    replied to Chris on last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉

    Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
    Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
    Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.

    Then that makes the possible selection of Christie even more baffling. Armchair ride - still shit.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Frank on last edited by
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    @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉

    Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
    Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
    Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.

    Then that makes the possible selection of Christie even more baffling. Armchair ride - still shit.

    Maybe he won’t get selected this year.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    replied to Chris on last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    Drummy, Drummy, Drummy!

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    replied to Chris on last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    I'd like to think looking at Funaki specifically selectors would also factor in his ability to get himself out of trouble (physicality and decision making) and his accurate passing also contributes to the forward pack going forward.

    He helps contribute to the Blues pack going forward.

    Not to mention how well Funaki played in a game where the opposition forward pack fronted (Reds)

    Not expecting Funaki to get named but he is worthy of consideration on form.

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  • M Offline
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    Mr Fish
    replied to KiwiMurph on last edited by
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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Bones

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.

    Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.

    I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.

    I'd like to think looking at Funaki specifically selectors would also factor in his ability to get himself out of trouble (physicality and decision making) and his accurate passing also contributes to the forward pack going forward.

    He helps contribute to the Blues pack going forward.

    Not to mention how well Funaki played in a game where the opposition forward pack fronted (Reds)

    Not expecting Funaki to get named but he is worthy of consideration on form.

    I think Funaki is probably behind Ratima in the pecking order. Would prefer either player to Fakatava at this stage.

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  • MN5M Offline
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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    England capped dick fingers Brad Shields?

    It's the oil from the fish and chips, mate.

    I thought his hands got stuck in toasters ?

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    replied to Chris on last edited by ruggabee
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    Maybe he won’t get selected this year.

    Perenara, Funaki, Ratima... PLEASE Razor

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