All Blacks 2024
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Injuries pose challenge for Robertson ahead of first All Blacks squad announcement
Injuries are the uncontrollables that have the potential to keep new All Blacks coach Scott Robertson awake at night six weeks out from naming his first 32-man national squad.
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I’m not sure about ‘quite a few chances’ he got none last year obviously and the year before that sparingly used.
I think he started in the test match against Aus )the Raynal test match). It was his first game in 2 months and people expected him to be playing the house down after watching Savea play for 2 months straight.
Can’t remember about his chances before that, but it is clear that he has matured into a better player after the work he has put in over the last 8-10 months
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It was his first game in 2 months and people expected him to be playing the house down after watching Savea play for 2 months straight
and this is where our current season structure just sucks. Once super rugby finishes, these guys don't get to play high level rugby unless they are in the test team.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It was his first game in 2 months and people expected him to be playing the house down after watching Savea play for 2 months straight
and this is where our current season structure just sucks. Once super rugby finishes, these guys don't get to play high level rugby unless they are in the test team.
There could be an interesting idea there to build an NZ specific model to allow that focused on what NZR really cares about - the AB brand.
It would require cooperation from Oz and SA though, so I don't like the chances, however, if SANZAAR allowed two teams from the Pacific Nations Cup to come up to the Rugby Championship (likely Fiji and Japan who could play off with the other nations to allow movement between the competitions), we could add the ABXV or Maori AB team to that competition (likely alongside Australia A). If OZ didn't or couldn't participate, we could have two teams in the competition.
We could then have at least one of our second teams competing against Samoa, Tonga, USA, and Canada. Whether the level of that competition is stronger or weaker than NPC is a separate question, but it would allow for collaboration across the two squads and have guys in the next tier playing if and when injuries strike.
Feel free to bag this, I'm not wedded to it, just putting it up for discussion.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
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@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
look, it's good for a run in the legs, but preparing for a test by playing glorified park footy is not ideal. But you are right, the guys not in the 23 should be released on weekends to get a run.
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well well, how the turntables....
Crusaders fans now think playing in a shit team is actually better for your selection chances. Can't think what brought that change on
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
they have more SR minutes under their belts than Funaki.
Is this really a plus though? If Funaki can be playing as good, or better in less minutes, then surely that's a pro rather than a con.
I suppose it depends how they look at it operating behind a forward pack which is going forward mostly gives him an arm chair ride,compared to HBs operating under more stress and going backwards a lot so performing under pressure more.
Where the fuck did those goalposts go 😉
Would you not want to see how a HB operates under pressure in case you select him and he melts under pressure.
Or hope at test level you are going to dominate every pack you come up against.
Selection is looking at every angle not just looking at the highlights I think.We're getting a long way from having more super rugby experience is the overriding factor.
Not really it is all relevant and tied in to experience.
Yup, a lot of factors go into selection, but I asked a question and you went off on a completely different subject.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life and then not released for npc when that starts, say what you want about the comp, but nothing builds match fitness like playing actual rugby...then that causes other issues come super time with guys that play 12 minutes of international rugby are to be rested in super rugby.
Shouldn't you should be complaining about it to the player's association.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It's worth noting there's under 2 weeks from Razor's first squad naming until the first test
That may hint towards a more conservative squad selection initially.
I was surprised, as previously it has been after the semis, I think? And that is with an existing coaching group. You would get a decent start on you squad, and some training extras just for numbers & a quick look, if they announced after the semis or even quarters. 2 weeks is not long for brand new set up!
From an article in The Roar
But the inescapable perception is that Cane was Foster’s man, the one sitting beside him when the All Blacks lost to Argentina for the first time, when they dropped a series to Ireland, when they were walloped for the worst loss in the team’s history last year against the Springboks.
He’s also the man who put in what was arguably the greatest individual performance at flanker since McCaw, when the All Blacks beat Ireland in an epic quarterfinal. A player who put his body on the line so much for the jersey he broke his neck in a Test. That in itself should be the first thing people remember Sam Cane for, however once he hangs up his boots for good and decides to give his honest side of the story, that may well be pretty memorable too.
Pretty fair I think, he had some great games but some real shockers and is tarnished as the continuity Foster boy - esp when he often was nowhere near the best 7. If he is injured until Aug and no games since Jan, there is no way he should be in ABs - he's not McCaw up to speed in 5 seconds and that is long break. On top of going from Japan League to Test rugby
