All Blacks 2024
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Interesting the shift from "don't have the cattle" to great and optimistic starting point. Hopefully Razor can bring out the best in them.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
Chris Rattue: The Worst XV of King Henry's reign - NZ Herald
Public opinion has not treated the former All Black Shayne Philpott kindly.
jesus...that might be the worst thing ive ever seen written down
14.) BEN SMITH
The renaissance man according to southerners. Have to take their word for it, since my devotion to Super rugby doesn't often extend to watching the Highlanders. Looked fairly ordinary in his All Black stint compared with the Sivivatus of this world. As for being Ben Smith - All Black wings need handles like Josevata, Hosea, Rico, Rene, Rudi, Cory, Sitiveni, Zac, Israel, Jonah. Call it the Engelbert Humperdinck effect. Do you think Sonny Bill Williams would be Sonny Bill Williams if he wasn't Sonny Bill Williams? Come on. Try Benny Boy Smith-Wesson and just watch your career take off.
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that article is funny for so many reasons
He picked too many low hanging fruit by naming one test wonders. Should have aimed at a few guys who got picked regularly
Ma'a Nonu was already Ma'a Nonu V2 by 2011
Stephen Donald? When Colin Slade had already been picked in that position?Lauaki is plain wrong. People remember that Aus test that was the end of him, but overlook the work before that, and the fact he was a huge loss for that 2007 Qtr Final
I would expect a better list from some of the lessor trolls of this joint
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
Apparently he spent a bit of time in the Bay as a youngster.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
Apparently he spent a bit of time in the Bay as a youngster.
Hopefully he was bullied mercilessly.
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Did anyone catch that "Ineligible All Blacks XV" on stuff? Matt Proctor at 14?
If I was a NZR policy maker and I read George Bridge at 15, that would confirm to me that making overseas-based players eligible for the ABs would be DISASTROUS.
Leicester is the only real loss, but tbh test quality wingers emerge every few years in NZ.
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp Rattue = dude who delivers bogus takes with high confidence in those bogus takes
Wish.com version of the walrus
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@mariner4life oh come on, prior to the world cup Donald was one of the most "hated" guys in NZ rugby. Everyone read that bit and nodded hard.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@mariner4life oh come on, prior to the world cup Donald was one of the most "hated" guys in NZ rugby. Everyone read that bit and nodded hard.
Yep, NZ fans did themselves proud with that carry on.
I for one was thrilled he did what he did.
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Leicester is the only real loss, but tbh test quality wingers emerge every few
yearsmonths in NZ.FIFY
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@mariner4life oh come on, prior to the world cup Donald was one of the most "hated" guys in NZ rugby. Everyone read that bit and nodded hard.
I white knighted for him. thought he was under-rated... Hong Kong wasn't his fault. Fella got really unlucky.
Narratives stick though...
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp I was also in that camp iirc.
Same. I compared him to Bok legend Henry Honiball.
Years later I stand by this
haha you're a mad lad. Honiball was excellent. Donald was a bit like Barnes - solid, but then had the odd stuff up each game.
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@African-Monkey Yeah, I think Leicester will find that the landscape will have changed a lot in 18 months. Some wingers will have "runs on the board" (Ito number of test caps compared to his handful). The obligatory pair of uncapped young flyers making compelling cases for selection will be there. He might be looking up at Sevu Reece (who himself might be 5th in ABs wing pecking order at that time).
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Narratives stick though...
So do legendary moments: Beaver coming on in a size-too-small shirt, the ABs with a penalty and as nervous as buggery, and he simply says "Just give me the fucking ball"
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
Chris Rattue: The Worst XV of King Henry's reign - NZ Herald
Public opinion has not treated the former All Black Shayne Philpott kindly.
What a hateful article, just putting the boot into everyone.
Besides it being totally wrong, as some of those guys are now legends, just saying this crap about guys being given a shot in the AB's, through injury or coaches trying new things.
This kind of stuff just pisses me off.
