All Blacks 2024
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Maybe he’s just a bit mentally soft and maybe he’s just not a test match quality player?
This. He seems to lack the self-belief that a player like say Morgan, with less ability, seems to have. And a player needs to be an AB quality first
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
we haven't seen that for some time. He used to have a howitzer, but lately it's been disappointing. Cannot see him at 10 except in weirdly weird injury and replacement
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
we haven't seen that for some time. He used to have a howitzer, but lately it's been disappointing. Cannot see him at 10 except in weirdly weird injury and replacement
scenariosI was trying to be generous
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
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I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
Confidence neededYep, righto
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
I'm a JB fan. But the guy is no test level 10, and I wouldn't want to see him start regularly for the Canes at 10 either
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Paul Cully's loose forwards were Savea, Blackadder and Finau.
I understand the first and last, but what has Blackadder done to deserve this level of lobbying?
Existed
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
Confidence neededYep, righto
@Winger is about half right at absolute best
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Jordie is not a natural 10 but is a class player so has made a good fist of it in the past, including against the B&I Lions. He'd only be an emergency option though as he'd play a similar game to when he is at 12, but less effective as he'd have less space to run. There's quite a few better options than him there at the moment.
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The lions was 2017 wasn't it?
Like, I know Covid warped everyone's sense of time, but that is still an entire career ago
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
I'm a JB fan. But the guy is no test level 10, and I wouldn't want to see him start regularly for the Canes at 10 either
Didn't he start (or play) one test at first
My view (and Im rarely wrong) is he could be a very good first. But why not try him there at SR level and see how it goes
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
There's quite a few better options than him there at the moment
That the issue. There aren't. His brother is well and truly past his best and is still considered an option. And the very limited Brett Cameron is still rated an option too.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Didn't he start (or play) one test at first
Against the powerhouse Namibia. TJP also played at 1st 5 in the same game.
But the AB coaches must have seen his potential at first. Otherwise ...
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Here are my predictions for Robertson's first All Blacks squad...
Hooker - Codie Taylor, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Asafo Aumua
I can't see any changes here. I don't think any of the young guys coming through are likely to be ready for Test rugby in the next year or two so I think Robertson will refrain from bringing in anyone new.Prop - Ethan de Groot, Xaver Numia, Tamaiti Williams, Fletcher Newell, Tyrel Lomax, Ofa Tu'ungafasi
The propping group is quite young and should be incredibly well resourced for the next Rugby World Cup. Numia has been performing well each week and I think that will be recognised.Locks - Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Patrick Tuipulotu, Jamie Hannah
This is where I can see Robertson going for his first bolter. The likes of IWL and Laughlan McWhannell have been putting in some good shifts but I think with a few years to prep, Robertson will be looking to the World Cup and go for a young second-rower, even if he isn't necessarily ready for international rugby just yet. If Josh Lord is fit then I expect him to get selected ahead of Hannah.Loose forwards - Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Peter Lakai, Samipeni Finau, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu
The only chance that Sam Cane isn't selected is if he's not fully recovered from his back injury. While his red card in the WC final was costly, they probably wouldn't have made it past the quarter-final against Ireland without him. Savea and Papali'i are incumbents in good form and Sotutu has probably earned a recall. I think Lakai grabs the last spot ahead of Brayden Iose and Luke Jacobson. He's still fairly raw but it's hard to imagine anyone better at bringing him up to standard than Robertson.Halfbacks - TJ Perenara, Finlay Christie, Cortez Ratima
Folau Fakatava has been pretty poor this season and needs more minutes under his belt to prove he can get back to the form he displayed pre-injury. Perenara and Christie are experienced and Ratima is the next cab off the ranks in my books.First five - Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Josh Jacomb
I can see Robertson going for another bolter here. I'm not certain it will be Jacomb but he's probably ahead of Ajay Faleafaga. Similar to lock, I don't think the selectors will opt for a mid-20s toiler.Midfield - Jordie Barrett, RIeko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, Billy Proctor
Picks itself.Outside backs - Caleb Clarke, Mark Tele'a, Ruben Love, Sevu Reece, Shaun Stevenson
Similar to the midfield. These guys are all in form and, other than Love, have all been in the set-up before.Next cabs off the rank: George Bell, Saula Ma'u, Reuben O'Neill, Laghlan McWhannell, Luke Jacobson, Taufa Funaki, Stephen Perofeta, Rameka Poihipi, Emoni Narawa.
