All Blacks 2024
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Maybe he’s just a bit mentally soft and maybe he’s just not a test match quality player?
This. He seems to lack the self-belief that a player like say Morgan, with less ability, seems to have. And a player needs to be an AB quality first
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
we haven't seen that for some time. He used to have a howitzer, but lately it's been disappointing. Cannot see him at 10 except in weirdly weird injury and replacement
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
we haven't seen that for some time. He used to have a howitzer, but lately it's been disappointing. Cannot see him at 10 except in weirdly weird injury and replacement
scenariosI was trying to be generous
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
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I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
Confidence neededYep, righto
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
I'm a JB fan. But the guy is no test level 10, and I wouldn't want to see him start regularly for the Canes at 10 either
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Paul Cully's loose forwards were Savea, Blackadder and Finau.
I understand the first and last, but what has Blackadder done to deserve this level of lobbying?
Existed
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
But sure, lets throw him the keys to the bus.
I'm referring to the Canes. I believe J Barrett could be VG at first but would like to see him at SRP level first
What attributes do you think he has that make him suitable for 10? A decent boot, especially when compared to every other 10 we have played in recent years, I'll give you that.
What else?
Kicking
Decision making
Defense
Passing
Ability to break defense
Confidence neededYep, righto
@Winger is about half right at absolute best
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Jordie is not a natural 10 but is a class player so has made a good fist of it in the past, including against the B&I Lions. He'd only be an emergency option though as he'd play a similar game to when he is at 12, but less effective as he'd have less space to run. There's quite a few better options than him there at the moment.
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The lions was 2017 wasn't it?
Like, I know Covid warped everyone's sense of time, but that is still an entire career ago
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not convinced Jordie has a 1st-five boot.
The other backs can take a wind-up to kick because they almost always have time. First-5s need to be able to punt a ball very much more quickly or they get charged down a lot. Same with their passing -- they don't have anything like the time the outside backs have.
I remember that being an issue when we played Leon MacDonald at #10 (we have been much worse off than we are now incidentally). He wasn't too bad overall, but he took an age to kick and it hurt us.
I'm a JB fan. But the guy is no test level 10, and I wouldn't want to see him start regularly for the Canes at 10 either
Didn't he start (or play) one test at first
My view (and Im rarely wrong) is he could be a very good first. But why not try him there at SR level and see how it goes
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
There's quite a few better options than him there at the moment
That the issue. There aren't. His brother is well and truly past his best and is still considered an option. And the very limited Brett Cameron is still rated an option too.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Didn't he start (or play) one test at first
Against the powerhouse Namibia. TJP also played at 1st 5 in the same game.
But the AB coaches must have seen his potential at first. Otherwise ...
