RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@His-Bobness His Godwiness!
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@booboo In law, making a mistake in the process precludes the possibility of a correct decision. That’s how appeal lawyers win cases. Conversely, while a proper application of process does not automatically imply a correct decision, it makes it harder to argue for a reversal unless you have other evidence. In this case, the process was incorrect. The try should have stood. If you say the decision was ‘correct’ we get back to subjective judgements and arguments about who is in charge here.
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It is fine to invade Poland if within 2 phases?
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
"Stuff understands World Rugby has privately acknowledged to the All Blacks"
Stuff dont understand.
There’s a whole thread on here about how god awful Stuff is 😬
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo In law, making a mistake in the process precludes the possibility of a correct decision. That’s how appeal lawyers win cases. Conversely, while a proper application of process does not automatically imply a correct decision, it makes it harder to argue for a reversal unless you have other evidence. In this case, the process was incorrect. The try should have stood. If you say the decision was ‘correct’ we get back to subjective judgements and arguments about who is in charge here.
You’re right that ref needs to remain the sole judge of the laws on the field.
And I endorse your implicit call for us all to accept and embrace that they are going to get things wrong and that’s a fundamental part of the game.
Glad that’s sorted out. Can we please start talking about the rugby?
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Wayne Barnes talks about the game and other things.
Wayne Barnes on the sofa
Wayne Barnes, one of the greatest rugby referees in history, joins Chris, Ugo and Ashy on the sofa. Barnes retired from officiating after taking charge of the Rugby World Cup final, his 111th international match. He reflects on his magnificent career, which games stick in the memory, and why a...
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@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Wayne Barnes talks about the game and other things.
Wayne Barnes, one of the greatest rugby referees in history, joins Chris, Ugo and Ashy on the sofa. Barnes retired from officiating after taking charge of the Rugby World Cup final, his 111th international match. He reflects on his magnificent career, which games stick in the memory, and why a...
Greatest referees my ass. Enough said !!
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@mencey said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Wayne Barnes talks about the game and other things.
Wayne Barnes, one of the greatest rugby referees in history, joins Chris, Ugo and Ashy on the sofa. Barnes retired from officiating after taking charge of the Rugby World Cup final, his 111th international match. He reflects on his magnificent career, which games stick in the memory, and why a...
Greatest referees my ass. Enough said !!
I find that a contradiction in terms. A referee in any sport is there to be as unnoticed as possible and do a fucken job. Not “be great”. Part of the reason I found Bill Bowdens “antics” really tiresome. We’re there to watch cricket, not him.
Sure it’s a thankless job but don’t sign up for it if you’re not up to it.
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Hearing rumours that Foley, the TMO (or maybe AR can’t remember) from the final has been stood down from 6N duties
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@Catogrande and that is an interesting point.
For players it is OK to be critical of them, point out they missed 5 tackles, conceded 4 turnovers and dropped the ball 3 times, but not ok to point out some glaring errors from a ref (obviously this is a bit different and one assumes/hopes the ref managers review these and give feedback and areas to improve)
In addition, players get dropped due to poor play, refs rarely are held to account in the same way.
As I keep saying, the refs job is made more difficult with the rules and how they can be interpreted differently from ref to ref, rather than simple and then the ref either calls it or he doesn't.
That said, I am not a fan of getting stuck into the ref, but is almost hypocritical to critique players and not refs.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That said, I am not a fan of getting stuck into the ref, but is almost hypocritical to critique players and not refs.
thing is, if one ref struggles that's their problem. If you struggle to have refs capable of refereeing a game without controversy, that's more on the system and laws than the refs. They get an un-refereeable game.
None of that excuses the TMO cockups or inconsistency of course
Thanks a lot
