RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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The disallowed try stuff is getting dragged up again.
Stuff understands World Rugby has privately acknowledged to the All Blacks that the ruling out of Aaron Smith’s try in the final was in fact outside the rules, but is refusing to publicly acknowledge that. Discussions have been ongoing in an effort to get World Rugby to publicly clarify that the TMO ruling was a breach of the current rules governing the game.I'm not sure it needs an official clarification like the IRB sometimes issues on confusing or contentious laws. The protocol seems straight forward.. this was just an error.
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It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
Barnes? Sure. Foley was in a room with at least one other person, in front of a TV screen. I would argue he and his buddies have less excuse
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It is straightforward, but errors are made in high pressure situations like a RWC final. Something the officials are not immune too.
Good on Stuff for keeping this is in the news. This has a long way to run. It’s only been a few weeks since the final. Four more years!
Barnes? Sure. Foley was in a room with at least one other person, in front of a TV screen. I would argue he and his buddies have less excuse
agree Foley can seemingly find lots of innocuous things when a NZ player has infringed. He should own his miss and learn to shut the fuck up for a change.
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@ACT-Crusader all sliding doors anyway, we scored not long after anyway, so who knows what woulda happened if it had (rightfully) stood...they coulda hit back with a try of thier own, we could have kicked on and scored again...
It is what it is, but agree with others that the TMO is the one who has no excuse for making basic errors like that, whereas Barnes (and others in the middle) in the heat of the moment you can give him more leeway.
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@ACT-Crusader 4 more years. Its a very long time.
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The TMO system is clearly a farce. I agree entirely with Steve Hansen that it is resulting in the game being refereed in replay and I agree with Nigel Owens that is undermining the referee, in this case the best and fairest in the world. How typical, also, that World Rugby is saying nothing on the record about this. They love talking about accountability and transparency but never practise it themselves, preferring to leave the professionals appointed to adjudicate the game to take all the flak when they are just doing their jobs. Nothing can take away from the Springboks victory. They deserved it for their dogged defence and smart game management. But it rankles when such fundamental errors are made, and no-one wants to admit the mistake. That leaves a bad smell around the code and in its greatest single showcase, no less. If I were a lawyer I’d be thinking about a class action to clear out that board.
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@Duluth A rather large whoopsie, though, wouldn’t you say? “Oh dear, we said we wouldn’t invade Poland but we did. And oh, we started another World War. Sorry about that.”
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@His-Bobness His Godwiness!
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@booboo In law, making a mistake in the process precludes the possibility of a correct decision. That’s how appeal lawyers win cases. Conversely, while a proper application of process does not automatically imply a correct decision, it makes it harder to argue for a reversal unless you have other evidence. In this case, the process was incorrect. The try should have stood. If you say the decision was ‘correct’ we get back to subjective judgements and arguments about who is in charge here.
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It is fine to invade Poland if within 2 phases?
Id say a good outcome would be that TMO retiring. -
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
"Stuff understands World Rugby has privately acknowledged to the All Blacks"
Stuff dont understand.
There’s a whole thread on here about how god awful Stuff is 😬
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo In law, making a mistake in the process precludes the possibility of a correct decision. That’s how appeal lawyers win cases. Conversely, while a proper application of process does not automatically imply a correct decision, it makes it harder to argue for a reversal unless you have other evidence. In this case, the process was incorrect. The try should have stood. If you say the decision was ‘correct’ we get back to subjective judgements and arguments about who is in charge here.
You’re right that ref needs to remain the sole judge of the laws on the field.
And I endorse your implicit call for us all to accept and embrace that they are going to get things wrong and that’s a fundamental part of the game.
Glad that’s sorted out. Can we please start talking about the rugby?
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Wayne Barnes talks about the game and other things.
Wayne Barnes on the sofa
Wayne Barnes, one of the greatest rugby referees in history, joins Chris, Ugo and Ashy on the sofa. Barnes retired from officiating after taking charge of the Rugby World Cup final, his 111th international match. He reflects on his magnificent career, which games stick in the memory, and why a...
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@W32 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Wayne Barnes talks about the game and other things.
Wayne Barnes, one of the greatest rugby referees in history, joins Chris, Ugo and Ashy on the sofa. Barnes retired from officiating after taking charge of the Rugby World Cup final, his 111th international match. He reflects on his magnificent career, which games stick in the memory, and why a...
Greatest referees my ass. Enough said !!
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