RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@gt12 I wrote us off at half time too but it was far from over as it played out. Poor goalkicking and a lack of rugby smarts cost us the win in the 2nd half. A very winnable game even with only 14 men.
I thought we dropped a huge amount of ball as well, and we don't seem to be talking about it. It was one of the keys to losing - drop ball, missed kicks, TMO/discipline (choose your poison) and arguably lack of rugby nous.
When Mbonambi went off, I thought we should be kicking for lineouts and putting pressure. If that starts disintegrating, you create space in the middle of the field.
In the second half, we should have kicked the ball out in their half much more and really pressured their line out. I can't recall a single pinout in that time that was contested and that they won. We should have turned the screws on them in that area the entirety of that second half. The breaks in play that the line outs would have created would have allowed us - the team playing with 14 men - also to get some rest and preserve energy for late on in the game.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
I'd say there's a clear subconscious bias. IMO a capable TMO wouldn't have said the threshold was made for a bloke that has someone turn into him, and not for someone that runs 10 metres into the face of someone else.
I also take umbrage at the discretionary use of "absorbing".
you meant to answer my post?
A I think there is a discipline/card or at least playing to the ref problem with this side for awhile but on the other hand
B I'm not very happy with the TMO or the amount of consistency in the cards/penalties of the RWC final (i.e. I think I agree with you)Yeah, although I agree we've not been squeaky clean and hence gambling with the vagaries of the adjudicators, but I seriously feel we've not been getting the rub of the green since the Lions Test.
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So can we agree that the finale of the world’s biggest sporting event after the Olympics and Football World Cup - one in which tens of millions of dollars has been invested and which tens of thousands of people spent a fortune on attending - has just been decided by a little man in a back room on a laptop who doesn’t know the rules. What an absolute crock.
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Who wants to fund a class action against Bill Beaumont and the World Rugby board?
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
So can we agree that the finale of the world’s biggest sporting event after the Olympics and Football World Cup - one in which tens of millions of dollars has been invested and which tens of thousands of people spent a fortune on attending - has just been decided by a little man in a back room on a laptop who doesn’t know the rules. What an absolute crock.
Basketball is a bigger sport
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Who wants to fund a class action against Bill Beaumont and the World Rugby board?
Jurgen Klopp wants a rematch
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Who wants to fund a class action against Bill Beaumont and the World Rugby board?
Scotland is that you?
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@canefan Netball soon will be.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I hate myself.
And he's right about the two phases.
Easily googlable. I sssume the 2022 version on the WR website is correct.
You'd think the best TMO in the world would know his job.
Even worse, a mate of mine sent snippets of a Walrus article and he was almost supporting the ABs and complaining about the TMO.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan Netball soon will be.
Sorry, what was the question?
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@canefan The bigger sporting event.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan The bigger sporting event.
Not sure about that. It's basically a Commonwealth only sport.
But things must be bad with union if I read a Mark Reason article and he makes perfect sense
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
I'd say there's a clear subconscious bias. IMO a capable TMO wouldn't have said the threshold was made for a bloke that has someone turn into him, and not for someone that runs 10 metres into the face of someone else.
I also take umbrage at the discretionary use of "absorbing".
you meant to answer my post?
A I think there is a discipline/card or at least playing to the ref problem with this side for awhile but on the other hand
B I'm not very happy with the TMO or the amount of consistency in the cards/penalties of the RWC final (i.e. I think I agree with you)Yeah, although I agree we've not been squeaky clean and hence gambling with the vagaries of the adjudicators, but I seriously feel we've not been getting the rub of the green since the Lions Test.
I feel the same way.
This is my reality. My lived experience. Who is anyone to tell me I am wrong?
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@canefan Depends on how you measure it - television audiences, revenues, crowd totals, rights revenues. I’ve seen plenty of commentary putting the Rugby World Cup third behind the Summer Olympics and Football World Cup. But then you have the Tour de France, Wimbledon, Daytona etc; Put it this way, it’s significant. There’s a lot of money involved, enough you would think to ensure they’re clear, consistent, comprehensible and transparent rules, along with competent officials to administer them. As to a Commonwealth-only sport, South Africa is not a member. Neither is France or Ireland or Argentina. There’s four of the top eight.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan Depends on how you measure it - television audiences, revenues, crowd totals, rights revenues. I’ve seen plenty of commentary putting the Rugby World Cup third behind the Summer Olympics and Football World Cup. But then you have the Tour de France, Wimbledon, Daytona etc; Put it this way, it’s significant. There’s a lot of money involved, enough you would think to ensure they’re clear, consistent, comprehensible and transparent rules, along with competent officials to administer them. As to a Commonwealth-only sport, South Africa is not a member. Neither is France and Ireland. There’s three of the top four.
I was referring to netball....
Rugby has a way to go
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@reprobate said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane having no mitigation reminded me of Ta'avao having no mitigation vs Porter's "absorbing" tackle - which broke Retallick's cheek-bone and decided the Irish series. A change in direction of the player with the ball which catches the tackler off guard without time to adjust down for some reason isn't seen as mitigation. Whereas Kolisi, lining up Ardie from in front and deciding to go high does have mitigation?
The way these are ruled is just totally beyond me.
Etzebeth's yellow for front on head on head in the England game. If Cane is red that is red surely? These decisions go two different ways, and decide two knockout games, and as far as I can tell they are just total fucking bullshit.
This post isn't about the result of the final, which we didn't deserve to win. It probably fits better in the 'state of the game' thread - but I hope supporters of all countries can agree we are sick to fucking death of shit card rulings ruining games and something needs to be done.This is my take. I don't think anyone is blaming the officials for us losing. But the level of outright ineptitude with respect to consistency in decisions when you have the fucking TV to replay. I've said before, I'd be happy if African Jesus wasn't penalised but if that's the case, Sam Cane was a penalty either. And as for the TMO interjecting because SF fell over, well fuck. 30 blokes fall over all the time in rugby. I expect the next test to be played to have 0 on 0 by minute 15.
So one sentence saying not blaming the officials followed by five saying just that, followed immediately by another three posts saying the same.
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@Catogrande said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@reprobate said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane having no mitigation reminded me of Ta'avao having no mitigation vs Porter's "absorbing" tackle - which broke Retallick's cheek-bone and decided the Irish series. A change in direction of the player with the ball which catches the tackler off guard without time to adjust down for some reason isn't seen as mitigation. Whereas Kolisi, lining up Ardie from in front and deciding to go high does have mitigation?
The way these are ruled is just totally beyond me.
Etzebeth's yellow for front on head on head in the England game. If Cane is red that is red surely? These decisions go two different ways, and decide two knockout games, and as far as I can tell they are just total fucking bullshit.
This post isn't about the result of the final, which we didn't deserve to win. It probably fits better in the 'state of the game' thread - but I hope supporters of all countries can agree we are sick to fucking death of shit card rulings ruining games and something needs to be done.This is my take. I don't think anyone is blaming the officials for us losing. But the level of outright ineptitude with respect to consistency in decisions when you have the fucking TV to replay. I've said before, I'd be happy if African Jesus wasn't penalised but if that's the case, Sam Cane was a penalty either. And as for the TMO interjecting because SF fell over, well fuck. 30 blokes fall over all the time in rugby. I expect the next test to be played to have 0 on 0 by minute 15.
So one sentence saying not blaming the officials followed by five saying just that, followed immediately by another three posts saying the same.
😂I don’t blame the officials until I do
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
I'd say there's a clear subconscious bias. IMO a capable TMO wouldn't have said the threshold was made for a bloke that has someone turn into him, and not for someone that runs 10 metres into the face of someone else.
I also take umbrage at the discretionary use of "absorbing".
you meant to answer my post?
A I think there is a discipline/card or at least playing to the ref problem with this side for awhile but on the other hand
B I'm not very happy with the TMO or the amount of consistency in the cards/penalties of the RWC final (i.e. I think I agree with you)Yeah, although I agree we've not been squeaky clean and hence gambling with the vagaries of the adjudicators, but I seriously feel we've not been getting the rub of the green since the Lions Test.
I feel the same way.
This is my reality. My lived experience. Who is anyone to tell me I am wrong?
Welcome to the feeling Bok supporters have had for many years
I think that in the past, the AB's have tended to be able to take the ref decisions out of the game because they were just a notch or two so much better and a call against the AB's here or there didn't really matter.
For their opposition, a few 50:50 calls against them seemed like the kiss of death.Now that there is, at least for now, less of a gap, the AB fans are feeling those 50:50 calls much more acutely. They do feel like they make the difference on the day.
That is my theory anyway....
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