RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@kiwiinmelb unfortunately we have had far too much practice playing a man down and I expect it changes not only thier patterns but mindset too, and when we were still in it at the break, I'd say that gave a boost, sadly we werent able to execute.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb unfortunately we have had far too much practice playing a man down
2011 RWC final is the last one I can remember where we kept everyone on the paddock in the critical game. But - preparing the list below, also the 2019 semi (we just got beaten)
2015 Final - Ben Smith YC
2017 Lions 3 - JK got a yellos
2019 English semi - surprisingly looks like we kept everyone there
2023 Final - RC YC (and 4 cards in the game FFS)Are we the most carded tier 1 side? I think we probably are
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There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
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@kiwiinmelb @taniwharugby given the game was intense, close and defensively driven, losing a key loose forward did take its toll. Yes they practice with 14 etc, but the reality is that it’s one less body to take a hit or make a hit. Other players make adjustments but when it’s a player that has been in form and doing so much for us particularly on the defensive side of the ball, some of our boys were clearly showing signs late in the game.
In a more open game where more players are involved in the play more often then there are more moments to catch a breath.
This is not a discussion about fitness but just the realities of going long periods without a player that is needed for the circumstances of this match.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
some of our boys were clearly showing signs late in the game.
Agreed, I recall a few looking like the Irish at about phase 30 the other week, just devoid of both energy and power to do much.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That was the WC final, the absolute pinnacle of our sport, with the two form teams of the comp going hammer and tong playing completely different styles. It was all set up for an absolute classic.
And what did we get? Constant stoppages for the TMO to pour over footage of a super dynamic sport, not looking for genuine foul play, but for minor indiscretions and errors of judgement by players absolutely throwing themselves around for 80 minutes.
And the result was a stop start game that included so many cards, including a red that basically sealed the fate of the game for one side, that it is impossible to tell what would have even happened if both sides were allowed to keep 15 men on the pitch.
That was a potentially incredible game of rugby between two supremely talented sides that was never allowed to get going. If that's the pinnacle, then rugby is badly broken as a sport.
I made the comment to some friends with similar sentiments about how good it could have been without the stop-start TMO bullshit. In 2011 or 2015. In better times.....
My view is that I would much rather live with the odd ref fůck up on the field (that's sport and has always been part of it) rather than the arbitrary TMO bullshit.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Yup get rid of the TMO, ref is sole source of truth, with a knock back of back chat. Citing officers go over after and punish slow time
Go back and tell that to this forum after the missed Wayne Barnes forward pass in 2007. Can you imagine the meltdown on here if that happened today and was allowed to STAND?
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Yup get rid of the TMO, ref is sole source of truth, with a knock back of back chat. Citing officers go over after and punish slow time
Go back and tell that to this forum after the missed Wayne Barnes forward pass in 2007. Can you imagine the meltdown on here if that happened today and was allowed to STAND?
I will say what I said in 07 barb, he missed what his linesman missed and big deal, noone seems to be having a huge meltdown over the Ardie penalty that wasn't yesterday. I honestly think some will moan, same with players, some people will remember a players mistake forever etc. I can and do live with mistakes by refs, and some just won't.
But if you want comparisons I watch NPC avidly, am a memeber and go to Taranaki home games, hardly see the refs go to TMO, and I have seen what I imagine refs missing things at time, and like most in crowd find it can be fixed by a shrug of the shoulders. -
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Yup get rid of the TMO, ref is sole source of truth, with a knock back of back chat. Citing officers go over after and punish slow time
Go back and tell that to this forum after the missed Wayne Barnes forward pass in 2007. Can you imagine the meltdown on here if that happened today and was allowed to STAND?
The biggest problem in that game was the absolute stupidity of appointing an inexperienced ref who was woefully out of his depth. That's a completely different situation to the TMO playing God.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That was the WC final, the absolute pinnacle of our sport, with the two form teams of the comp going hammer and tong playing completely different styles. It was all set up for an absolute classic.
And what did we get? Constant stoppages for the TMO to pour over footage of a super dynamic sport, not looking for genuine foul play, but for minor indiscretions and errors of judgement by players absolutely throwing themselves around for 80 minutes.
And the result was a stop start game that included so many cards, including a red that basically sealed the fate of the game for one side, that it is impossible to tell what would have even happened if both sides were allowed to keep 15 men on the pitch.
That was a potentially incredible game of rugby between two supremely talented sides that was never allowed to get going. If that's the pinnacle, then rugby is badly broken as a sport.
This. Sadly after being in love with the game my entire life I am dropping her. Been disillusioned for a while but as mentioned the RWC final should showcase the game. Sadly it showed exactly what rugby has become. The only redeeming feature was that it was a "close" contest, unfortunately 15 v 14 isn't a "fair" contest.
The AB's are still my team, and well done to the Boks, but my entertainment hours will be spent where the fans are respected and the result is up to the players. Strangely enough I might still watch some 13 man rugby but they call it league (cards are a rarity there at least).
Au revoir ma cherie seems appropriate.
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@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
All lovely guys on here I see lol 🤣
12:53 am
Monday, 30 October 2023 (GMT)
Time in Dublin, County Dublin, IrelandFew drinks, get on an NZ board and get stuck in ... happy days.
Very friendly group alright
Bro, you reaped what you sowed.
If you want to be surrounded by psycophants join the swarm on Planet Rugby. You'll fit in perfectly with this base level of trolling.
Although I think even they have reached the conclusion that RI had walked on and turned back due to what your Johnny the ref abuser said.
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@Snowy said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That was the WC final, the absolute pinnacle of our sport, with the two form teams of the comp going hammer and tong playing completely different styles. It was all set up for an absolute classic.
And what did we get? Constant stoppages for the TMO to pour over footage of a super dynamic sport, not looking for genuine foul play, but for minor indiscretions and errors of judgement by players absolutely throwing themselves around for 80 minutes.
And the result was a stop start game that included so many cards, including a red that basically sealed the fate of the game for one side, that it is impossible to tell what would have even happened if both sides were allowed to keep 15 men on the pitch.
That was a potentially incredible game of rugby between two supremely talented sides that was never allowed to get going. If that's the pinnacle, then rugby is badly broken as a sport.
This. Sadly after being in love with the game my entire life I am dropping her. Been disillusioned for a while but as mentioned the RWC final should showcase the game. Sadly it showed exactly what rugby has become. The only redeeming feature was that it was a "close" contest, unfortunately 15 v 14 isn't a "fair" contest.
The AB's are still my team, and well done to the Boks, but my entertainment hours will be spent where the fans are respected and the result is up to the players. Strangely enough I might still watch some 13 man rugby but they call it league (cards are a rarity there at least).
Au revoir ma cherie seems appropriate.
feeling very similar myself, i think getting involved with a club and seeing rugby that is closer to what i grew up loving is the only thing keeping me engaged
looking forward to seeing what razor can do next year though
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@Windows97 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
There's winning it the hard way, then there'swinningitlike the 2023 Springboks.FIFY
Winning is winning...while we'd all love to play attractive running rugby and win, reality is this is rarely the result.
As many alluded to, the best rugby of this RWC was in some of the pool matches and then peaked in the 1/4 finals.
