RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@ARHS said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question - do we know who the foul play adjudicators that Foley referred to were? World Rugby appointed them, and I don't believe named them.
I doubt we'll ever know who they are, as I wasn't even aware that they are based at Roland Garros, not the match venues. They could have been some of the sub-standard TMOs used earlier.
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@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Apologies for the admittedly blatant trolling. I should remember not to lower my standards to the dickheads that I'm annoyed about.
Tough luck in the final. It was a coin toss. Just like the QF and all of the SA games. I wanted the NZ style of rugby to triumph but puke rugby wins trophies now unfortunately.
The officiating of the game needs to evolve and change to encourage positive rugby.So you're a butthurt Irish fan? Your team has never made a semi and you're mouthing off at a team that extremely controversially lost a final by one point. Gold
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@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I hope Reiko didn't miss his flight home.
Karma's a bitch.probably did, Rieko on the other hand...
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@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 Can't disagree. And within those fine margins lies the madness and the beauty of the whole thing.
I thought Siya Kolisi bombed a pretty certain try at the start of the second half, then got himself yellow carded soonafter. But instead of a pariah, he's a conquering hero.
And Jordie Barrett misses a long penalty kick that could have won the game and had him revered like Stephen Donald in New Zealand.
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@bluedex said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
All lovely guys on here I see lol 🤣
12:53 am
Monday, 30 October 2023 (GMT)
Time in Dublin, County Dublin, IrelandFew drinks, get on an NZ board and get stuck in ... happy days.
Very friendly group alright
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That was the WC final, the absolute pinnacle of our sport, with the two form teams of the comp going hammer and tong playing completely different styles. It was all set up for an absolute classic.
And what did we get? Constant stoppages for the TMO to pour over footage of a super dynamic sport, not looking for genuine foul play, but for minor indiscretions and errors of judgement by players absolutely throwing themselves around for 80 minutes.
And the result was a stop start game that included so many cards, including a red that basically sealed the fate of the game for one side, that it is impossible to tell what would have even happened if both sides were allowed to keep 15 men on the pitch.
That was a potentially incredible game of rugby between two supremely talented sides that was never allowed to get going. If that's the pinnacle, then rugby is badly broken as a sport.
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I’m not suggesting we were better off with cane gone because that would be just stupid ,
But it did seem to click us into gear , we seemed really sloppy before that time and it was like we developed a new focus .
But I would probably need to watch it again and I don’t have a desire to do that .
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@kiwiinmelb unfortunately we have had far too much practice playing a man down and I expect it changes not only thier patterns but mindset too, and when we were still in it at the break, I'd say that gave a boost, sadly we werent able to execute.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@kiwiinmelb unfortunately we have had far too much practice playing a man down
2011 RWC final is the last one I can remember where we kept everyone on the paddock in the critical game. But - preparing the list below, also the 2019 semi (we just got beaten)
2015 Final - Ben Smith YC
2017 Lions 3 - JK got a yellos
2019 English semi - surprisingly looks like we kept everyone there
2023 Final - RC YC (and 4 cards in the game FFS)Are we the most carded tier 1 side? I think we probably are
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There has been a discipline and or cards issue for some time.
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@kiwiinmelb @taniwharugby given the game was intense, close and defensively driven, losing a key loose forward did take its toll. Yes they practice with 14 etc, but the reality is that it’s one less body to take a hit or make a hit. Other players make adjustments but when it’s a player that has been in form and doing so much for us particularly on the defensive side of the ball, some of our boys were clearly showing signs late in the game.
In a more open game where more players are involved in the play more often then there are more moments to catch a breath.
This is not a discussion about fitness but just the realities of going long periods without a player that is needed for the circumstances of this match.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
some of our boys were clearly showing signs late in the game.
Agreed, I recall a few looking like the Irish at about phase 30 the other week, just devoid of both energy and power to do much.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That was the WC final, the absolute pinnacle of our sport, with the two form teams of the comp going hammer and tong playing completely different styles. It was all set up for an absolute classic.
And what did we get? Constant stoppages for the TMO to pour over footage of a super dynamic sport, not looking for genuine foul play, but for minor indiscretions and errors of judgement by players absolutely throwing themselves around for 80 minutes.
And the result was a stop start game that included so many cards, including a red that basically sealed the fate of the game for one side, that it is impossible to tell what would have even happened if both sides were allowed to keep 15 men on the pitch.
That was a potentially incredible game of rugby between two supremely talented sides that was never allowed to get going. If that's the pinnacle, then rugby is badly broken as a sport.
I made the comment to some friends with similar sentiments about how good it could have been without the stop-start TMO bullshit. In 2011 or 2015. In better times.....
My view is that I would much rather live with the odd ref fůck up on the field (that's sport and has always been part of it) rather than the arbitrary TMO bullshit.
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