RWC SF: England v Springboks
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@African-Monkey said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones Would love to see what @Steve would have to say if big Fletch didn't get picked. Hearing his father speak after Fletch's debut against the Boks bought a tear to his eye, missing selection for the World Cup final might just send him to the brink.....
Not a reason to select a player.
Especially a ginger one
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@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
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@ARHS said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I was disappointed England fluffed their lines there after having it almost in the bag. Jamie George had a real horror night at setpiece.
I wonder how much that match will sap the South Africans. They may need a 6 2 bench next week.Conversely they've gone to the dark place twice and come through. A boost to their confidence?
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@stodders watched the 2nd movement try a couple of times. He hit the ground got up, but then didnât advance his position or reach out as he was still held. It all happened really quickly. Argument for me is that by getting up he stopped the tacklers going for the jackle so itâs a fair complaint. But like every thing with rugby there are equivalent calls not being made all the time i.e. about every 2nd tackle nowadays the player being tackled takes a roll to achieve a better position before placing the ball.
NRL do this so much better as they debate every decision in the media, the head of referees advises on the rule, ref gets dropped if bad, rule gets clarified or added to if necessary, next week everyone is on the same page. Itâs never perfect but just so much better. In the end the ref is not hung out to dry as the process is clear and they keep working on it in public.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
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Needs investigating and a ban if true. Ditto a false allegation. Some things shouldn't be left on the park
Listen: Tom Curry accuses Bongi Mbonambi of racist slur during Rugby World Cup semi-final
Incident occurred in the first half of the World Cup semi-final against England, with remarks caught on referee Ben OâKeeffe's microphone
England flanker Tom Curry alleged to referee Ben OâKeeffe that South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi called him a âwhite c---â during the Springboksâ World Cup semi-final victory.
The incident occurred just before the half-hour mark with England leading 9-3 as Curry approached OâKeeffe, the New Zealand official.
On the refereeâs microphone, Curry can be clearly heard asking, âSir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c--- what do I do?â
OâKeeffe replies: âNothing please.â He then adds âI will be on itâ although it is not clear if this in reference to Curryâs complaint, but he takes no action against Mbonambi. There is no audible evidence of Mbonambiâs alleged abuse.
After the final whistle, Mbonambi refused to shake Curryâs hand.
Following the game the Sale Sharks openside was asked if Mbonambi said something he should not have, he replied, âyeahâ but would not confirm the exact details. âIt does not need to be talked about.â
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@Victor-Meldrew yep. Just saw this. Needs investigating and accuser (if not true) or offender (if true) needs banning.
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If he said it, I wonder how Mbonambiâs white teammates feel about that. Is all good in the Rainbow nationâs squad?
When ppl are put under their pressure, we see their true faces. The fact that Mbonambi and Curry didnât shake hands at the end speaks volumes.
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@Victor-Meldrew guy dressed in white asks ref weird leading question without evidence, player who is supposed to have said it, acts as though he's been wronged.
Smells fishy.
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@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones I amended my post. âIf he said itâ đŹ
Well there was definitely one BOK running around calling the whole team white, so I imagine others in the team might have more claim for offence than Curry.
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This result was the worst possible outcome. Obviously a win would have been the best, but this narrow loss will likely vindicate Borthwick idea of non-rugby and we'll be on this same fucking journey for another couple of years.
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@Catogrande said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Obviously a wine would have been the best
You still have time to see.
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I know he gets a lot of stick, but credit to Owen for his post match speech. He must've been terribly disappointed but his comments do him credit.
Compare and contrast with DuPont.
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@kev said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
If weâve learned nothing else from the last two Bok games itâs that NchĂ© is a game changing match winner off the bench.
So would I rather for last 25 have grizzled chunk whoâs rates by NZ LH as the next TH in NZ or the young pup, whoâs got a massively higher ceiling but has very little experience against overseas LHs, who pull a few stunts which are largely unknown in NZ?đ€đ€đ€đ€đ€
