RWC SF: England v Springboks
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@antipodean said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
played like the true England
Nothing to be proud of.
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@mariner4life said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Thoughts on the deciding penalty? Aerial view looked like the green shirt angling in a lot more than white?
From where we sat Koch when in and up. Someone like Barnes might have penalised for not pushing straight.
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@mariner4life said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
The old loose forward in me fucking loved that. Just a dirty shitfight
I love that, I feel the same way. I used to love wet days, everyone slowed down to my pace.
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England have only themselves to blame. They had that game for the taking. With Ford on at 65 some of those dangerous situations in last 15 would have likely borne some fruit.
As it was Care had to pass to Faz 8m behind the gain line, which gave Boks time to scramble.
Very clear from our seats.
Faint heart never won fair lady and all of that.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
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@Dodge I thought after France game that SA had used all their luck up in this World Cup. After this game, surely they have none left.
Agree with @Dodge about Fourie. Looks a cast iron second movement penalty. Only reason for not giving it is the ref team and TMO didnât believe he was held when initially tackled, but from the replay that looks unlikely.
I find some of the post-match commentary from English pundits to be quite unsavoury. Dallaglio especially, Iâm looking at you. I know English fans are hurting, but this ref blaming crap just has to stop. Without them, there is no game. Unless of course you want AI to ref, at which point we wonât get beyond 2 seconds of play time.
England had the opportunities to win this game. They were in SAâs 22 more than often than SA were in theirs. They were not good enough overall to score the try that would have killed the game. By not building a big enough buffer, they allowed the Boks the chance to use their get out of jail free card. Which they duly did, like v good teams often do when it feels like they should have no right to.
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@African-Monkey said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones Would love to see what @Steve would have to say if big Fletch didn't get picked. Hearing his father speak after Fletch's debut against the Boks bought a tear to his eye, missing selection for the World Cup final might just send him to the brink.....
Not a reason to select a player.
Especially a ginger one
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@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
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@ARHS said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
I was disappointed England fluffed their lines there after having it almost in the bag. Jamie George had a real horror night at setpiece.
I wonder how much that match will sap the South Africans. They may need a 6 2 bench next week.Conversely they've gone to the dark place twice and come through. A boost to their confidence?
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@stodders watched the 2nd movement try a couple of times. He hit the ground got up, but then didnât advance his position or reach out as he was still held. It all happened really quickly. Argument for me is that by getting up he stopped the tacklers going for the jackle so itâs a fair complaint. But like every thing with rugby there are equivalent calls not being made all the time i.e. about every 2nd tackle nowadays the player being tackled takes a roll to achieve a better position before placing the ball.
NRL do this so much better as they debate every decision in the media, the head of referees advises on the rule, ref gets dropped if bad, rule gets clarified or added to if necessary, next week everyone is on the same page. Itâs never perfect but just so much better. In the end the ref is not hung out to dry as the process is clear and they keep working on it in public.
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@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@Bones said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:
Nepo
Gets better at scrums every game he's not selected (which is because he still gives away at least as many turnovers and penalties probably). Myth
Check out last 15 of Boks Mt Smart. Contrast last 15 of Newell at Twickenham.
Wait - is that what you're using to measure? A game where the Springboks were trounced, Vs a festival match where the ABs were just trying not to get injured?
I'd prefer stats. If Laulala is such a good scrummager, there'll be evidence to support it right? Rather than something showing he gets penalised just as much as any half decent prop.
They used the young props against Ireland. Suggests they will get the run against Boks and that at training they have scrummed well. Both offer a lot defensively.
Interesting who they choose as 2nd hooker. Wonder who scrums better Samisoni or Dane? Dane is better at lineout time I would think..
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Needs investigating and a ban if true. Ditto a false allegation. Some things shouldn't be left on the park
Listen: Tom Curry accuses Bongi Mbonambi of racist slur during Rugby World Cup semi-final
Incident occurred in the first half of the World Cup semi-final against England, with remarks caught on referee Ben OâKeeffe's microphone
England flanker Tom Curry alleged to referee Ben OâKeeffe that South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi called him a âwhite c---â during the Springboksâ World Cup semi-final victory.
The incident occurred just before the half-hour mark with England leading 9-3 as Curry approached OâKeeffe, the New Zealand official.
On the refereeâs microphone, Curry can be clearly heard asking, âSir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c--- what do I do?â
OâKeeffe replies: âNothing please.â He then adds âI will be on itâ although it is not clear if this in reference to Curryâs complaint, but he takes no action against Mbonambi. There is no audible evidence of Mbonambiâs alleged abuse.
After the final whistle, Mbonambi refused to shake Curryâs hand.
Following the game the Sale Sharks openside was asked if Mbonambi said something he should not have, he replied, âyeahâ but would not confirm the exact details. âIt does not need to be talked about.â
