RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay
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@Canerbry said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
I sort of feel as if many are forgetting how badly Damien MacKenzie shat the bed last time he played a quality opposition.
Like, he didn't just shit the bed, he then pissed the bed, and then chundered before jizzing , snotting, and bleeding into the bed.
That was the worst game I can remember from an All Black back.
We are all used to the Cantab hate here on the fern, but the some of you who are suggesting DmAc replaces Mo'unga are deranged.
Precious Richie is not threatened so don't worry about a Cantab' losing their place.
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@Canerbry said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
That was the worst game I can remember from an All Black back.
George Bridge says hold his beer, while he tries not to catch the ball.
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With Dmac and Mo'unga, the dual playmaker system seems to work out differently to Mo'unga and Barrett.
Vs Uruguay
Richie Mo'unga played 79% of the minutes that Dmac played (63/80).
He kicked 5 times, Dmac 6 (83%)
He passed 19 times, Dmac 26 (73%)
He ran 9 times, Dmac 15 (60%)In comparison, Mo'unga actually dominates touches when he and Barrett play together.
Vs Italy
Richie Mo'unga played 80% of the minutes that Barrett played (64/80).
He kicked 7 times, Beauden 6 (116%)
He passed 15 times, Beauden 12 (125%)
He ran 4 times, Beauden 8 (50%)It's a reasonably similar picture for the France game, although they both played the 80 and Barrett dominated the kicking (Mo'unga: 21 passes, 10 runs, 7 kicks vs Barrett: 12 passes, 18 runs, 18 kicks).
I'm not sure what all this means, I'm just bored.
Maybe Barrett just isn't getting involved enough, but I found it interesting that the dual playmaker seemed to be working better when Dmac is on. It might be a better mix as it may allow Mo'unga to be more dangerous and play wider with fewer touches.
For what it is worth, in the Argentina game early in the year, Dmac dominated in comparison to Barrett with 130% more minutes (80 vs 61) but 200% more passes (24 vs 12), and 90% runs. I can't get KFH stats for that game.
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Thought Faingaanuku was pretty average, despite the good running - man he's slow eh. Handling that makes Rieko look like Dupont. Runs a line really well and hard, but doesn't exactly hit a weak shoulder - that's not going to be very effective against quality opposition.
But then again, not like anyone else who could sit on the bench would be noticeably better.
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@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
LF is too slow to be a really good winger, and can't pass well enough to be a good midfielder.
He's probably the best 7 in the squad though.Kind of my thinking to. Has some good qualities, but he is a bit of a flat-track bully. My thought has always been he would be excellent in league.
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@BorderJB said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
That game kinda put the argument to rest that BB is crowding or taking over from Mo’unga. Dmac was doing pretty much the same thing. It's a game plan not a BB issue.
It seems that it could be the opposite, actually.
They seemed to go quite well when the 15 does more.
It could be that Mo'unga is better when he can get more space and needs another at first receiver, which seems to be what Dmac did a lot.
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@frugby said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
LF is too slow to be a really good winger, and can't pass well enough to be a good midfielder.
He's probably the best 7 in the squad though.Kind of my thinking to. Has some good qualities, but he is a bit of a flat-track bully. My thought has always been he would be excellent in league.
He has some pretty impressive attack stats in this game:
184 metres, 22 carries, 3 clean breaks, 9 defenders beaten.
However, he had 2 turnovers, made 3 tackles, missed 1, and what is not captured by theses stats is of course that he wasn't close to being in position to make other tackles.
I think if he had been kept in the environment last year he might be ready, but personally I wouldn't play him (definitely not start him) against the top teams as I think they'd exploit him on defence more than we could use him on attack.
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@gt12 said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@frugby said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
LF is too slow to be a really good winger, and can't pass well enough to be a good midfielder.
He's probably the best 7 in the squad though.Kind of my thinking to. Has some good qualities, but he is a bit of a flat-track bully. My thought has always been he would be excellent in league.
He has some pretty impressive attack stats in this game:
184 metres, 22 carries, 3 clean breaks, 9 defenders beaten.
However, he had 2 turnovers, made 3 tackles, missed 1, and what is not captured by theses stats is of course that he wasn't close to being in position to make other tackles.
I think if he had been kept in the environment last year he might be ready, but personally I wouldn't play him (definitely not start him) against the top teams as I think they'd exploit him on defence more than we could use him on attack.
if Roberson couldnt get him not to turn on defence like a second hand tug boat no one could. he had a whole super season with him and nothing changed
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@ploughboy said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@gt12 said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@frugby said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
LF is too slow to be a really good winger, and can't pass well enough to be a good midfielder.
He's probably the best 7 in the squad though.Kind of my thinking to. Has some good qualities, but he is a bit of a flat-track bully. My thought has always been he would be excellent in league.
He has some pretty impressive attack stats in this game:
184 metres, 22 carries, 3 clean breaks, 9 defenders beaten.
However, he had 2 turnovers, made 3 tackles, missed 1, and what is not captured by theses stats is of course that he wasn't close to being in position to make other tackles.
I think if he had been kept in the environment last year he might be ready, but personally I wouldn't play him (definitely not start him) against the top teams as I think they'd exploit him on defence more than we could use him on attack.
if Roberson couldnt get him not to turn on defence like a second hand tug boat no one could. he had a whole super season with him and nothing changed
Razor is the messiah.
It was NZRU and Fozzie chasing him away.
You need to get the story straight.
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@Bones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Oh this game gave Fozzie the ammo to stick with Christie on the bench.
Watching that fluffybunny run around putting fins on try scorers heads made me understand he's not just a shit player, but also a shit fluffybunny.
Christie had a good game off the bench against a beaten weak side. Used to be solid off the bench (good D) but his Test form has dropped significantly.
Roigard's introduction has been handled well and he's played in the majority of games this year so they wouldn't be doing that if Christie was 100% in the frame in the 23. While there's a small risk he might go to pieces as a rookie under pressure, he's just as likely to do something to win a tight game.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
introduction has been handled well
Where's my "never miss a chance to smoke Foster" gif
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@ploughboy said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@gt12 said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@frugby said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
LF is too slow to be a really good winger, and can't pass well enough to be a good midfielder.
He's probably the best 7 in the squad though.Kind of my thinking to. Has some good qualities, but he is a bit of a flat-track bully. My thought has always been he would be excellent in league.
He has some pretty impressive attack stats in this game:
184 metres, 22 carries, 3 clean breaks, 9 defenders beaten.
However, he had 2 turnovers, made 3 tackles, missed 1, and what is not captured by theses stats is of course that he wasn't close to being in position to make other tackles.
I think if he had been kept in the environment last year he might be ready, but personally I wouldn't play him (definitely not start him) against the top teams as I think they'd exploit him on defence more than we could use him on attack.
if Roberson couldnt get him not to turn on defence like a second hand tug boat no one could. he had a whole super season with him and nothing changed
I'm not so sure. Can't speak about Super Rugby level, but I think RMo's defence has improved a fair bit at Test level. He's no longer a revolving door and some of his hits and cover defence in the RC were outstanding.
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@Bones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Also, I wish we still had Sevu Reece. I'd have him on the bench over Clarke and Faingaanuku
Sevu Reece was fun. Quick, explosive and one of those players where shit just fell in his favour. Probably because he had enough athleticism for things to happen. Like Beauden back in 2014-15.
