RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia
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@MiketheSnow That what was you took exception to?
As a parallel, Gatland has coached Wales to plenty of shockers - probably more than any other coach in the history of top level rugby. But he's also coached them to some fantastic times.
Argentina were absolute shithouse vs England, no question. And didn't look a huge amount better vs Samoa. But they've had some good results as well under Chieka.
If they were to get him, it could be a resurgence or it could be a second, awful, roll of the dice. I'd put money on the former, but I could well be wrong. I've got fuck all right this world cup, but surely that form has to change at some point ...
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Here's a shit take
As somebody who wrote above in defence of Eddie, I agree that is a shit take.
He should be celebrated? Good god.
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Here's a shit take
Wow.
This was apparently written with no irony:
"If Jones wanted to protect his job, he would have rolled out the same tried and tested and failed international players who between 2016 and Jones taking over had won just 42 per cent of Tests."
42% you say? Shocking.
Is this actually real or one of those satirical sites ?
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I think she decided what she was going to write before the tournament, and them just pushed on regardless of what happened in France.
The narrative of Eddie selflessly sacrificing the short-term easy wins in favour of bringing through the next generation was a little more credible before they were irreparably scarred by being part of the worst Wallabies ever
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I think she decided what she was going to write before the tournament, and them just pushed on regardless of what happened in France.
The narrative of Eddie selflessly sacrificing the short-term easy wins in favour of bringing through the next generation was a little more credible before they were irreparably scarred by being part of the worst Wallabies ever
Christy is a bloke judging by the picture ( admittedly this can be dangerous in this day and age )
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We looked like we were on the plane after Wales' second try - and where the fuck was Kellaway or Tate to take that kick through?
I remember that and wondered where the hell the fullback was at the time so just rewatched it. Kellaway is moving back and forth, too many Wallabies cycle to their right to cover, and Tate and Kellaway are covering the right hand side.
The communication for Wales to identify that was very good. If I was Nawheelbarrow, I'd be asking Tate what he was doing miles away from the rucks in case of a turnover and Kellaway on the wing.
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@MiketheSnow They did beat the Ozzie by a similar margin. In Melbourne. 7-38.
Oz have been getting progressively worse this year. Smashed by a second string SA (though some of those second stringers have forced their way into the 1st 23 now), smashed by the ABs at home, beaten by Argentina at home, well beaten by France in the warm up test.
Rarely have I seen an Oz team so devoid of creativity though. I think that was the big thing that stood out. Wales were very impressive in how they kept their structure and waited for an Oz mistake, which was always going to happen given how they were trying to play phases in a rugby world cup where the stats suggest doing so is rugby suicide.
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@mikethesnow IMO Anscombe is a better player than the current version of Bigger. He also doesn't come across as Wales' version off Sexton.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@mikethesnow IMO Anscombe is a better player than the current version of Bigger. He also doesn't come across as Wales' version off Sexton.
One of his best games for Wales
I honestly thought he was unfit and not match fit in the Portugal match, but he emphatically proved me wrong
Biggar will start if he’s fit but great to have Anscombe coming off the bench
Costelow is there for injury cover only
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Here's a shit take
Wow.
This was apparently written with no irony:
"If Jones wanted to protect his job, he would have rolled out the same tried and tested and failed international players who between 2016 and Jones taking over had won just 42 per cent of Tests."
42% you say? Shocking.
The thing that's got me a bit, is not just the young ones, but what the hell has happened to Koirbite and Kerevi etc, they look like they got no idea of what's going on
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
The thing that's got me a bit, is not just the young ones, but what the hell has happened to Koirbite and Kerevi etc, they look like they got no idea of what's going on
They look like they've got no confidence in the system(s) and coaches who they've only known a couple of months.
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Anyway mate
Here Tims view on it all
“The hard thing now is how do we provide hope for the next two years going into a British and Irish Lions series? And then in four years’ time, hosting your own Rugby World Cup? How do we regroup with the help of our New Zealand neighbours to try and continue to grow the game in Australia? We’re at the lowest we can be now.”
With NZs help. I guess he means having access to all our best players. Or getting more money from us. As their out of control leader continues to (try and) prove he's the top dog, macho man. And appoints another poor head coach or keeps Jones on. Maybe they might also try to add another 1 or 2 team to super rugby just because, like SA with 6 team in super rugby, they want more than us.
If Aust cut back to three super rugby teams and appoint competent leaders then let's help them out in every way we can. Otherwise let them stand on their own 2 feet. And not waste our time and money
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I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
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@Winger said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Anyway mate
Here Tims view on it all
“The hard thing now is how do we provide hope for the next two years going into a British and Irish Lions series? And then in four years’ time, hosting your own Rugby World Cup? How do we regroup with the help of our New Zealand neighbours to try and continue to grow the game in Australia? We’re at the lowest we can be now.”
With NZs help. I guess he means having access to all our best players. Or getting more money from us. As their out of control leader continues to (try and) prove he's the top dog, macho man. And appoints another poor head coach or keeps Jones on. Maybe they might also try to add another 1 or 2 team to super rugby just because, like SA with 6 team in super rugby, they want more than us.
If Aust cut back to three super rugby teams and appoint competent leaders then let's help them out in every way we can. Otherwise let them stand on their own 2 feet. And not waste our time and money
It kinda looks like you kiwis are obsessed with having more teams than the Aussies
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
it won't happen unless super rugbs collapses. NZ I hope stick with 5 team but take steps to ensure one team doesn't always win year after year
And what about SA. 4 teams then up to 6. Now back to a manageable 4 teams. More is not always better
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
It kinda looks like you kiwis are obsessed with having more teams than the Aussies
Maybe if Fiji say had 6 teams (and had better team than us). We might let our ego's get the better of us and make an unwise decision to increase our team numbers.
But with Aust and SA. No
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@Winger said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
it won't happen unless super rugbs collapses. NZ I hope stick with 5 team but take steps to ensure one team doesn't always win year after year
And what about SA. 4 teams then up to 6. Now back to a manageable 4 teams. More is not always better
I certainly agree the increase in teams will initially lower the level, but it won't be so obvious as all the teams will be at around the level of Oz/Drua/MP. The problems ATM is that (4) NZ teams are so much better, along with an unsustainable NPC. A longer session, mid ground performance wise, with more players full time but less players Pro would be ideal imo.
But who really knows
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Pretty cool clip that shows the senior players reacting to what is happening and adjusting tactics.
Couple of culture-killers in that huddle!
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Pretty cool clip that shows the senior players reacting to what is happening and adjusting tactics.
Couple of culture-killers in that huddle!
In an exclusive interview with The Weekend Australian, Jones said what had become clear over the past five months was Australian rugby has been unable to foster the elite on-field leadership needed to win a World Cup [.]
Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, a friend of Jones’s who was in Wallabies camp in the build-up to this World Cup, observed some parts of Australia’s high-performance program were 15 years behind the All Blacks.
What has become clearer to Jones in recent times is the lack of strong leadership in Australian ranks. While the omission of veteran playmaker Quade Cooper and former captain Michael Hooper has caused consternation and debate, Jones says such decisions were made to address what he has previously described as “deeper cultural issues” within the Wallabies.
“Well, you know good teams are always about good leaders and about good senior players and their ability to generate a strong team,” Jones said.
“And I think what’s happened over the last period of time – there’s been a there’s been a lack of leadership coaching in Australian rugby and there’s players who come through to the international level that don’t have the fundamental skills of leadership and the mental skills and preparation that are needed to be at your best consistently.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/i-want-to-leave-australian-rugby-in-a-better-place-than-it-was/news-story/323a4090781e70dd854e9aa3d651d9d1Looks like that worked a treat!
