RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
What good is interest and development in Perth or Melbourne if the game is dying in its strongholds? No one can look at the state of the game in Aus before and after expansion and claim it improved the game. Nor can it be claimed that the game will die if it doesn't expand to other states. NRL could ditch the Storm tommorrow and continue on their merry way.
Very good points Rancid, I have said at times when we get changes to laws of the game (to attract new fans) that you then risk losing a portion of old fans, and this is similar perhaps. Don't really know the answer , but in the 20 odd years I lived in Brisbane, I went to super rugby at a very good percentage of games, and watched as crowds went from a packed Ballymore and Suncorp in a hell of a lot of games to where even against the Tahs you would sit in empty stands. I not saying it was only reason, but it seemed the more Aussie teams there was, the smaller the crowds got, and really don't think the number of teams was problem, but the performance of the Wallabies seemed to get reflected.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel sorry mate I was doing the same , you actually brought in the team lost etc, and thought I would point out how silly without taking in all points. Perhaps we both pointing out how silly it is to bring these things up?
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Rancid-Schnitzel sorry mate I was doing the same , you actually brought in the team lost etc, and thought I would point out how silly without taking in all points. Perhaps we both pointing out how silly it is to bring these things up?
Fair enough. Let's break the wheel 🙂
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@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I must admit I found myself with a very hollow feeling after watching the Wallabies capitulate against the Welsh this morning , a very very sad day for Rugby in this region , I felt for their supporters and the family’s of the players
Can’t believe some vitriol from some quarters as if our Rugby is on solid ground .
We need a strong Australian side , personally I think the Wallabies would under Dave Rennie despite the results we’re making progress.
It was only a year ago , the Wallabies should beaten France , lost to Ireland by 3 and beat Wales
For me it was a monumental mistake changing their coach this close to the RWC that’s on Rugby Australia
Seems as though there’s a real old boys network from a certain era with to much to say , it was interesting listening to the post match comments especially from that muppet Justin Harrison who refused to acknowledge Dave Rennie’s contribution..that told me somethingI’m actually really surprised going through Social Media at the relative lack of dickhead comments that always come out from kiwis when Australians lose something.
I mean, of course there is SOME, but on the whole things are pretty respectful.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I must admit I found myself with a very hollow feeling after watching the Wallabies capitulate against the Welsh this morning , a very very sad day for Rugby in this region , I felt for their supporters and the family’s of the players
Can’t believe some vitriol from some quarters as if our Rugby is on solid ground .
We need a strong Australian side , personally I think the Wallabies would under Dave Rennie despite the results we’re making progress.
It was only a year ago , the Wallabies should beaten France , lost to Ireland by 3 and beat Wales
For me it was a monumental mistake changing their coach this close to the RWC that’s on Rugby Australia
Seems as though there’s a real old boys network from a certain era with to much to say , it was interesting listening to the post match comments especially from that muppet Justin Harrison who refused to acknowledge Dave Rennie’s contribution..that told me somethingI’m actually really surprised going through Social Media at the relative lack of dickhead comments that always come out from kiwis when Australians lose something.
I mean, of course there is SOME, but on the whole things are pretty respectful.
Yeah most people I talk to are aware of how low it is, and painfully aware we are not immune to a similar slump - if we continue on the same trajectory - Oz 2003>23, us 2015>2035...
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
What good is interest and development in Perth or Melbourne if the game is dying in its strongholds? No one can look at the state of the game in Aus before and after expansion and claim it improved the game. Nor can it be claimed that the game will die if it doesn't expand to other states. NRL could ditch the Storm tommorrow and continue on their merry way.
Very good points Rancid, I have said at times when we get changes to laws of the game (to attract new fans) that you then risk losing a portion of old fans, and this is similar perhaps. Don't really know the answer , but in the 20 odd years I lived in Brisbane, I went to super rugby at a very good percentage of games, and watched as crowds went from a packed Ballymore and Suncorp in a hell of a lot of games to where even against the Tahs you would sit in empty stands. I not saying it was only reason, but it seemed the more Aussie teams there was, the smaller the crowds got, and really don't think the number of teams was problem, but the performance of the Wallabies seemed to get reflected.
This is exactly the point. I moved back to Brisbane in 2013 when the Reds were still riding high off their Super success. Crowds for 30k plus. You could see those numbers gradually thin out to barely 10k as their performances sank like a stone. In this congested footy market you need success.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Yep mate well as you can imagine I noticed even more from early 2000s etc, I was gobsmacked, and always said then that one of problems that you could see happening was that at times there was deflection of who was responsible. I will give an example later when I got time.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
This is exactly the point. I moved back to Brisbane in 2013 when the Reds were still riding high off their Super success. Crowds for 30k plus. You could see those numbers gradually thin out to barely 10k as their performances sank like a stone. In this congested footy market you need success.
I was at Olympic Park to watch the Tahs win in 2014 with 62,000 other punters.
Round 1 in 2015 Tahs v Force at the SFS - hot February day. 17k in attendance to watch them lose.
Most of the Good Rugby People were probably at the beach.
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Anyway, I've watched the first half. Some good stuff like a 10+ phase period of retention, against which Wales' defence is too good. But the decision making at times is basically what you'd expect from a team with fuck all experience.
e.g. Donaldson cuts through the line in the first quarter and has a player inside, covered by 2-3 Welsh players, and 2 Wallabies outside, covered by 1 Welsh defender. He goes inside
Neither Quade nor Foley would make that mistake. Chance to go into the lead blown.
Further along at 10-6 we win a penalty right in front. Rather than taking a sure 3, we throw a lineout to nobody.
Two Wallabies collide with team mates and fall over. Wales kick a 50-22.Tom Hooper steps around the side of a ruck and gives away the stupidest of penalties. McDermott spends a second too long clearing the ball when we're on the front foot. Petaia is... well fucking Petaia...
You get away with some of this shit when you have poor refs in the schoolyard, or you're the biggest kid on the paddock. And this is really what's wrong with the current crop: they grow up in development systems that are very narrow, and develop bad instincts because they're never pushed hard enough. Schools play maybe a dozen games a year total, and the competitions are highly variable, often inequitable, and dominated by league kids whose club is paying for their education.
It isn't just the kiddies of course: Koroibete throws a hail mary into touch. Valetini dives on a ball instead of trying to pick it up - basic knowledge of the Laws which so many players lack, but TBF many refs adjudicate with such variation it's hard to know where you stand some days.
Anyway, I'm not done being a masochist so I'll go watch the second half.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel hey mate, I'll park this and move over to the aussie rugby thread instead
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I must admit I found myself with a very hollow feeling after watching the Wallabies capitulate against the Welsh this morning , a very very sad day for Rugby in this region , I felt for their supporters and the family’s of the players
Can’t believe some vitriol from some quarters as if our Rugby is on solid ground .
We need a strong Australian side , personally I think the Wallabies would under Dave Rennie despite the results we’re making progress.
It was only a year ago , the Wallabies should beaten France , lost to Ireland by 3 and beat Wales
For me it was a monumental mistake changing their coach this close to the RWC that’s on Rugby Australia
Seems as though there’s a real old boys network from a certain era with to much to say , it was interesting listening to the post match comments especially from that muppet Justin Harrison who refused to acknowledge Dave Rennie’s contribution..that told me somethingI’m actually really surprised going through Social Media at the relative lack of dickhead comments that always come out from kiwis when Australians lose something.
I mean, of course there is SOME, but on the whole things are pretty respectful.
From personal experience, this is a very bad thing.
When Wales got shit in the 80s, we didn't get any sympathy from the English, because we'd spent so many years being better than them.
When Wales got really shit in the 90s, then they started being sympathetic and saying things like "I always hope Wales do well when they're not playing England".
That's when I realised just how bad we were.
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I must admit I found myself with a very hollow feeling after watching the Wallabies capitulate against the Welsh this morning , a very very sad day for Rugby in this region , I felt for their supporters and the family’s of the players
Can’t believe some vitriol from some quarters as if our Rugby is on solid ground .
We need a strong Australian side , personally I think the Wallabies would under Dave Rennie despite the results we’re making progress.
It was only a year ago , the Wallabies should beaten France , lost to Ireland by 3 and beat Wales
For me it was a monumental mistake changing their coach this close to the RWC that’s on Rugby Australia
Seems as though there’s a real old boys network from a certain era with to much to say , it was interesting listening to the post match comments especially from that muppet Justin Harrison who refused to acknowledge Dave Rennie’s contribution..that told me somethingI’m actually really surprised going through Social Media at the relative lack of dickhead comments that always come out from kiwis when Australians lose something.
I mean, of course there is SOME, but on the whole things are pretty respectful.
From personal experience, this is a very bad thing.
When Wales got shit in the 80s, we didn't get any sympathy from the English, because we'd spent so many years being better than them.
When Wales got really shit in the 90s, then they started being sympathetic and saying things like "I always hope Wales do well when they're not playing England".
That's when I realised just how bad we were.
The Wallabies are shit and Eddie is a dick. It should be crap meme heaven. I haven’t seen many at all.
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Puts our Bledisloe dominance into perspective. It would be tempting to mock this situation if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. It would be like insulting a vegetable in a wheelchair
We didn't dominate the Bledisloe this year. Things may be worse for us than we think.
We should have lost the Bledisloe two years ago but thanks to Bernard Foley taking his time
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We should have lost the Bledisloe two years ago but thanks to Bernard Foley taking his time
And Raynal deciding to penalise rather than blow time off.
And of course deciding that Swains dog act didn't get the red card it deserved, so sliding doors etc?
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We should have lost the Bledisloe two years ago but thanks to Bernard Foley taking his time
And Raynal deciding to penalise rather than blow time off.
And of course deciding that Swains dog act didn't get the red card it deserved, so sliding doors etc?
Stick it on the list with Underarm
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@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Its now Super rugby's fault ..... I for one partially agree - Aussie simply has too many teams -- spreads the talent to thinly ...
I feel for Hooper standing there... poor bastard - but he spoken well and appears to be a solid bloke - he really must have taken a big steamy dump in Eddies weet a bix....
And what happens in week 2 when Hooper gets busted / has a meltdown
Correct decision to leave him at home
For his own sake
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Nevorian said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We should have lost the Bledisloe two years ago but thanks to Bernard Foley taking his time
And Raynal deciding to penalise rather than blow time off.
And of course deciding that Swains dog act didn't get the red card it deserved, so sliding doors etc?
Stick it on the list with Underarm
Mate I would, but I was actually watching watching both games on TV, I didn't know that the underarm was even particularly wrong until the commentators went crook, and besides was the best thing that ever happened to NZ cricket.
When I saw what Swain had done, was the angriest I have been at something like that for years, I saw it for what it was a shit act designed to injure someone, and a RC everyday of the week!!! -
@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Awful by the Wallabies. Feel sorry for them. The rushed Eddie Jones appointment was always going to be a disaster. The man is a chancer, an opportunist and a troll. He’s only ever in it for himself. And by deliberately leaving his leaders and more experienced players like Hooper and Cooper at home, he has destroyed the confidence of another generation of players and kicked the corpse of Australian rugby while pocketing the cash. A disgraceful individual.
For the All Blacks, the truth is that New Zealand’s deterioration is directly related to the demise of the game in Australia. Losing South Africa in Super Rugby and leaving our teams to play lopsided flat-track bully games against weak Australian sides has de-powered them. Both NZ and Australia suffer from huge discipline issues and that’s clearly related.
With all the money and talent and broadcast dollars drifting to the northern hemisphere, it’s hard not to think that under Robertson’s regime the NZR will drop the overseas players ban completely.
It’s not about you ffs
If Oz are so shit you should have beaten them by the same margin
