RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
Yes, but not Jordie.
It is incredible that Havili was actually considered the answer there.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
Yes, but not Jordie.
It is incredible that Havili was actually considered the answer there.
If Havilli is a twig and De Allende is a plank then Jordie is a very solidly made broom handle.
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Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing). -
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
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legit question....and it is probably stupid....but rather than trying to make outside backs midfielders as we so often try...should we be trying to make some loosies
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
Aki has only looked good as the forwards played well and set the platform...
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@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who else you got?
The Eel & Will Jordan would be in contention. Stiff competition though.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
Ta. That's who I mean't to say.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
Not disagreeing there.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
I said "In the conversation" and not "individually", so that means both 9s for a team need to be considered in this context...
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I found this on the interweb…..
Five All Blacks but seven kiwis in total
and Jordan as 15, hmm, looking at that chart our returning forwards have a point to prove...
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Rassie responding to Foster's 'ball in play' comments -
Rassie Erasmus
@RassieRugby
Ian always a straight shooter and say it as it is! Have respect for him since he coached the Chiefs!! But I think 2 min more ball in play and a epic battle between Ireland and Boks is the game I would rather watch !! ( while saying that your boys were crisp and clinical 🤝
