RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@dogmeat said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Proof positive the average punter knows guck all about footy?
Or maybe just Herald readers…Quite shocking
All Blacks ratings: Side near perfect according to readers
How the Herald's readers rated the All Blacks against Italy.
LOL they must have been all tanked when they watched the game.
I would agree but then stop and think, who says we know more than them?
It's a conundrum, we say everyone is entitled to an opinion, and everyone knows as much as the next person, or is that just on here? Lol
Of course they're entitled to an opinion. Nobody has said otherwise.
That opinion is open to be mocked mercilessly if it's obviously moronic.
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@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
That would be the dryest of powders, since forever! Never tested, always dry - Fosters amazing rush defence
Foster just needs to tell Ryan he's hidden KFC in the match ball and that's the forwards sorted at least.
Fixed
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@Chris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Just as you are entitled to an opinion and if it is a ridiculous opinion for all to see then other people have an opinion on it.
Your post is just non sensical.
Free speech I think you call it LOL.Yep and I thought it was fairly obvious I was taking the proverbial, but perhaps I overestimate who reads post?
I thought it was rather stupid with the scores gaiven too, but I also think some of posts here are too, but hey ............ -
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
Yes, but not Jordie.
It is incredible that Havili was actually considered the answer there.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
He’s not the only one being generous.
Jordie is not getting past De Allende or Aki.
In fact the Bok and Irish second stringers ( Esterhuizen and Henshaw ) would probably both get in ahead of him too.
Jordie has done very well but lots of that is down to having to put up with Havilii for too long.
Nah De Allende is a plank.
Yeah but he’s good at Rugby.
Yes, for a plank.
I’d take that plank over the twigs we’ve had playing there of late.
Yes, but not Jordie.
It is incredible that Havili was actually considered the answer there.
If Havilli is a twig and De Allende is a plank then Jordie is a very solidly made broom handle.
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Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing). -
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
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legit question....and it is probably stupid....but rather than trying to make outside backs midfielders as we so often try...should we be trying to make some loosies
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
Aki has only looked good as the forwards played well and set the platform...
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@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who else you got?
The Eel & Will Jordan would be in contention. Stiff competition though.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
