RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji
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This can go round and round and round depending on who we support and our interpretations of how Carley did and most certainly did not officiate the match
Ultimately despite the inconsistent, poor refereeing Fiji blew the opportunity to be in a position to convert for the match
That's on them
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I thought this was a bloody good game with both sides showing real positive intent (Cambrian time wasting apart). Carley, without doubt had a shocker. He's never been one of my preferred refs. Wales did enough to warrant the win IMO but if Fiji had played for 80 minutes like the current team can, instead of 30 minutes it would probably have been a different story.
Back to the reffing. No corruption, just a very poor and mostly one sided performance. Sucks for Fiji but we've all been there.
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@MiketheSnow I'll frame this for later in the competition if Wales are on the receiving end of a "Carley"
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This isn’t really a tough one. And no….I’m not friends with any referees 😂…But it is and will remain one of the toughest jobs in the sporting world. Completely thankless task being a ref. Of course they make mistakes and of course the side that’s getting pinged more has rights to call for consistency. Like I mentioned in another post, standards are massively variable from game to game and it really detracts enjoyment. It makes me want to go and watch schools rugby where it just about the actual sport. None of this pantomime and Theatre that it has become.
Without arguing about complications the “released” video brought for Bok fans on top of what was already perceived to be a massive persecution complex by world rugby, I will say a couple of things.
First, standards have clearly been abysmal.
Second, there is no real change coming.
Thirdly, I will be the 1st to stand up and callout crap refereeing in a match where I’m completely neutral. And as I’m sure we can all agree, they really haven’t been very great at all considering that this is the pinnacle competition.To all the referees out there…. Respect. Obviously it’s a ridiculously complicated rule book. Just blow the same for both teams, and most people will be happy...
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow I'll frame this for later in the competition if Wales are on the receiving end of a "Carley"
Alain Roland says hi
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@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
Despite being down to 14 men we had enough opportunities to win the match and go to the Final
But we weren't accurate enough
Much like Fiji last night
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@MiketheSnow Touché
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@mantissanet said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
To all the referees out there…. Respect. Obviously it’s a ridiculously complicated rule book. Just blow the same for both teams, and most people will be happy...
There's a massive difference between a wrong call and a bad call. Cricket analogy - marginal LBW on where things pitch; may be wrong, but not bad. But then you get the bad calls - balls edged to nearly first slip which are 'not out'. DRS has done a huge amount.
The second issue is around the laws the refs are given. The framework is abysmal, subjective and too hard to consistently apply. That is on World Rugby.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
As I mentioned previously the ruck which Biggar infringed at should never have happened because the tap and go was an infringement itself and Wales should have been awarded a free kick for dummying the tap & go
Carley waved play on despite warning Fiji for doing it just seconds before
Actually think they did the second one well.
First was definitely a feint at a tap. Second he just moved away.
But if I was Welsh I'd probably have the same opinion.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@NTA said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
60th minute, Biggar should have been yellow carded.
Gets up offside.
Never looked like retreating.
Took the halfback.If pulling down a maul is a professional foul, so is that.
Subsequent penalty awarded for But it isn't just the ones blown, is all the other shithousery - Wales desperately off their feet at every ruck and scrabbling hands.
The warning didn't take into account the nature of either penalty I might add.
As I mentioned previously the ruck which Biggar infringed at should never have happened because the tap and go was an infringement itself and Wales should have been awarded a free kick for dummying the tap & go
Carley waved play on despite warning Fiji for doing it just seconds before
I believe the second time around it was different because he wasn't faking at tapping the ball.
#booboo
Great minds.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
IIRC, Sam was pretty magnanimous about the RC even immediately after the game. Many Welsh fans weren't and were screaming blue murder, but he refused to complain about it
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
IIRC, Sam was pretty magnanimous about the RC even immediately after the game. Many Welsh fans weren't and were screaming blue murder, but he refused to complain about it
Yeah, he’s a class act. English you know. 😁
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@Catogrande said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
IIRC, Sam was pretty magnanimous about the RC even immediately after the game. Many Welsh fans weren't and were screaming blue murder, but he refused to complain about it
Yeah, he’s a class act. English you know. 😁
Which is it? Make up your mind
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@GibbonRib Touché 😂
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow as red as they come these days. Even Sam said so 😬
I should have been sent off, admits Sam Warburton
Wales’s Sam Warburton has admitted that his spear tackle on Vincent Clerc in the semi-final of the World Cup in New Zealand was “uglier” than he first thought and has agreed that he was right to
Despite being down to 14 men we had enough opportunities to win the match and go to the Final
But we weren't accurate enough
Much like Fiji last night
With the big difference being that was a disadvantage of Wales own making.
I don't think Fiji should have won! I think all refs should hold the teams to the same standard and he didn't. Anyway hopefully you stuff Australia and so do Fiji 😁
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The ref wasn't good, and he wasn't consistent, so yeah hold him accountable for that.
But this narrative that he was unfair to one side and not the other is a false one.
Mikethesnow has already pointed out that both of Fiji's 2nd half tries shouldn't have been allowed because they came from scrums where the Fiji hooker stood up (I didn't notice at the time, but I went back and checked and he's absolutely right). And there are plenty of other examples of dodgy calls, in both directions.
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@GibbonRib iirc, he popped when the scrum was going forward, regardless the ball was coming out of the scrum and penalties are always ignored in that case. So nothing wrong there.
Might not have happened if Wales had a couple of guys in the bin though eh...
