RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Less concerned about 6 than I am about 1 - 8
Surely the forwards can be as bad as they were against the Books at Twickenham?
No, and Stephen Donald made quite a good point on SENZ, that part of it was quite simply we were only attacking with one variation off the pod as we didn't want to give anything away. We also played the majority without our top side, and down a man. The warm weather could play into our hands, but only if the tight five fronts up. Papalii could prove a genius selection, but think we have paid the price for not picking another dynamic/big 6 in the squad.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
To have any chance.
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!
Pick and goes. We are very good at this.
Make use of the opponent corners.Mistakes so far. No Roigard, too many wingers.
Since we haven't really done this since the first lions test, I'm not sure it's going to happen now
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
To have any chance.
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!
Pick and goes. We are very good at this.
Make use of the opponent corners.Mistakes so far. No Roigard, too many wingers.
Play direct and no one can stay with us. Spin it wide early and ALB is going to get smashed behind the gain line every time. The ABs have to channel the first half at Mt Smart. What annoys me is that we seem to go away from the winning formula far too often. My expectation level is at an all time low this time around
Three first half of mount smart we spun it wide and did shitty little dinky kicks. Is just we recovered 60-70 percent of them. That's never going to happen again against a top team, it was an anomaly that has been shown up as useless when SA don't drop every catch
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A good coach should plan for the worst and that is A Smith going down in the first 20 with an injury. Do you have Christie play 60 or do you have Roigard. It is a no brainer, Roigard is in form and should be getting as many minutes as possible in this WC just in case Smith gets injured. Leaving him out of the 23 is just fucken stupid.
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
except i don't think anybody actually said that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Yep. Being inflexible and not picking on SR form paid off.
To be fair with Nonu you always thought "if this guy could play to his potential he'd be incredible" and yes it took awhile for him to get there and yes credit to the selectors for sticking with him.
But Nonu had raw skill, physical attributes and a bit of an x-factor that could make him a world class player.
The problem with Finlay is that I don't really see anymore of those above 3 attributes listed above than what there is currently on the field. I don't see anymore untapped potential there that would warrant ongoing selection over someone who does have raw skill, physical attributes, x - factor and untapped potential (which I think most people see in Roigard).
Now whether Roigard will deliver on any of that who knows - but it's awfully difficult to deliver anything if your sitting in the stands clapping.
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
except i don't think anybody actually said that.
Not something which needs to be said. Look at what people are talking about - surely that is what a talking point is?
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
Because, from the squad, who else do you pick? No back up six error was made by foster weeks ago, but he's made the back up nine error today
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm intrigued that people think the non-selection of Roigard is far more important and a bigger talking point than the selection of Papalii on the blindside.
Also, if anyone lives overseas and can go to the bookmaker, would love to know the odds on Nepo over 2.5 knock-ons. In that heat, he won't catch a thing!
Because, from the squad, who else do you pick? No neck up six error was made by foster weeks ago, but he's made the back up nine error today
I think there is a very legitimate conversation about picking Jacobson. Big call to go with three opensides. Without knowing, I'd suggest this would be the smallest loose forward trio the All Blacks have picked in a WC match since the 90s.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Yep. Being inflexible and not picking on SR form paid off.
Christie and Nonu are in no way equivalent and you know it. Nonu was an AB legend and our best ever 12. If his super form is mediocre then of course you pick him and give him a chance. If he continues to perform poorly at international level, then you drop him. But he never did.
BB is a closer comparison, except he's been medicore at international level for some time now, so his deteriorating super form is more of a worry, as is his continuing poor performance at international level - still not dropped.
Christie is not even in the same conversation. He's a borderline squad selection, who does not have a long record of exceptional international performance. he should be selected or not based on super form, because that's the only decent amount of data you have on him. -
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!....that mean changing our actual gameplan
we've literally spent the last 6 years developing a game plan of open them up quick from anywhere on the pitch or kick, of bombs and cross field kicks in our own half to catch out the rush and of offloading in and around the tackle
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Can't wrap my head around the Christie selection.
Passing: Smith > Roigard > Christie
Speed to ruck: Smith > Roigard > Christie
Kicking game: Roigard > Smith > Christie
Running game: Roigard/Smith > Christie
Defense: Christie > Roigard/SmithNot sure the one benefit outweighs the negatives.
Obviously Roigard only has two caps, but, he could have another 4 before the play offs if we pick him.
Also - a bit worried about lineout time with that backrow. Finau at 6 would have looked good right now...
Fortunately French aren't full strength, so, I back us to do the job but it'll need to be done by the starters. If it's close I worry about Christie closing out the game.
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To be optimistic, let's go back to the 2015 RWC.
The pecking order of the halfbacks at the start was (1) Smith, (2) TJP, (3) TKB. By the time the playoffs started TKB had overtaken TJP to be Smith's backup. There is time for Roigard to prove his worth before the game that really matters.
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@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Without knowing, I'd suggest this would be the smallest loose forward trio the All Blacks have picked in a WC match since the 90s.
It's basically the same size as the Cane/Read/Savea trio that played a few games in the last world cup (Savea at 6)
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Huge patience. Cut out the 50:50's
DONT F*CK ABOUT IN OUR OWN HALF. KICK IT!!!....that mean changing our actual gameplan
we've literally spent the last 6 years developing a game plan of open them up quick from anywhere on the pitch or kick, of bombs and cross field kicks in our own half to catch out the rush and of offloading in and around the tackle
My main gripe with this is that our kicking game, especially in regards to contestable kick's is just plain awful. Half the time it appears that the team doesn't even know a contestable kick is going up (as no-one gets there to put pressure on the receiver).
The times where we do appear to know what's going on we send up a couple of people who are invariably outnumbered by the defenders .The concept of picking on a defender who's isolated and putting bodies around them to contest the kick appears to have been lost.
If there is a plan I'm finding it very difficult to follow as it appears to be "we haven't gone forward off several rucks I'm going to panic and kick it to the sidelines and hope someone chases".
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@Windows97 and sometimes as few as 3 or 4 phases
