RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones In fairness, he's had 3 full years. 2020 was a washout.
Again, in fairness, he's been lucky to have had 3 years given what happened in 2021/2022.
only 3 years? Sorry but I think that's a cop out. Why didn't AI and PGS work out?
Because they weren't good enough?
Hell, PGS played one test?
Shouldn't have had one.
Fozzie hasn't allowed the team to play out. Case in point. 2022. Finally may have found a decent 12 in JB. Then chopped and changed the team. They've only played 6 tests this year and the last 3 have been over 7 weeks. If Fozzie's time was so limited, why didn't he settle on a team earlier?
What's the point in settling on a team if constituent parts aren't working to the standard necessary?
What are odds he will field 3 completely different sides over the next 4 weeks...
Fairly high I should imagine given injuries within the squad and making sure all of the squad get some game time.
I find it odd that people complain that a coach doesn't develop depth, or persists with players they think aren't up to scratch, and also complain that the team isn't constantly selected.
At a higher level we just need to be cognisant that we've come off the best All Black team ever. Forget the Invincibles, we've had our expectations set by a team that had centurions, GOAT, DC, Nonu, Kaino, etc.
Phucking hell. There's no point arguing with any of that horseshit.
You're demented if you think PGS was Test standard, or that merely playing the same guys will magically turn them into the best Test team. Either that or you've finally understood the glaring contradiction in your argument.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones In fairness, he's had 3 full years. 2020 was a washout.
Again, in fairness, he's been lucky to have had 3 years given what happened in 2021/2022.
only 3 years? Sorry but I think that's a cop out. Why didn't AI and PGS work out?
Because they weren't good enough?
Hell, PGS played one test?
Shouldn't have had one.
Fozzie hasn't allowed the team to play out. Case in point. 2022. Finally may have found a decent 12 in JB. Then chopped and changed the team. They've only played 6 tests this year and the last 3 have been over 7 weeks. If Fozzie's time was so limited, why didn't he settle on a team earlier?
What's the point in settling on a team if constituent parts aren't working to the standard necessary?
What are odds he will field 3 completely different sides over the next 4 weeks...
Fairly high I should imagine given injuries within the squad and making sure all of the squad get some game time.
I find it odd that people complain that a coach doesn't develop depth, or persists with players they think aren't up to scratch, and also complain that the team isn't constantly selected.
At a higher level we just need to be cognisant that we've come off the best All Black team ever. Forget the Invincibles, we've had our expectations set by a team that had centurions, GOAT, DC, Nonu, Kaino, etc.
Phucking hell. There's no point arguing with any of that horseshit
Not in itself a conclusive argument
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@Kiwiwomble yeah I wonder what the rationale was behind him not contesting them in the air, assume they were hoping he'd get the man on the ground and force them to play inside thier half, was just odd to restrict a weapon like that.
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@Catogrande said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones In fairness, he's had 3 full years. 2020 was a washout.
Again, in fairness, he's been lucky to have had 3 years given what happened in 2021/2022.
only 3 years? Sorry but I think that's a cop out. Why didn't AI and PGS work out?
Because they weren't good enough?
Hell, PGS played one test?
Shouldn't have had one.
Fozzie hasn't allowed the team to play out. Case in point. 2022. Finally may have found a decent 12 in JB. Then chopped and changed the team. They've only played 6 tests this year and the last 3 have been over 7 weeks. If Fozzie's time was so limited, why didn't he settle on a team earlier?
What's the point in settling on a team if constituent parts aren't working to the standard necessary?
What are odds he will field 3 completely different sides over the next 4 weeks...
Fairly high I should imagine given injuries within the squad and making sure all of the squad get some game time.
I find it odd that people complain that a coach doesn't develop depth, or persists with players they think aren't up to scratch, and also complain that the team isn't constantly selected.
At a higher level we just need to be cognisant that we've come off the best All Black team ever. Forget the Invincibles, we've had our expectations set by a team that had centurions, GOAT, DC, Nonu, Kaino, etc.
Phucking hell. There's no point arguing with any of that horseshit
Not in itself a conclusive argument
.Because people on the Fern have been arguing with horseshit for years?!
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
You're demented if you think PGS was Test standard
While I don't want to get in the middle of such a sophisticated and civilized debate, I am not sure what test standard for AB loosies is at the moment.
or that merely playing the same guys will magically turn them into the best Test team.
Isn't that Foster's current policy?
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@Chris said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse
we can play 5 wingers in the QF though that is a bonus.How depressing.
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@Tim said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Parsons in some weird reality denying, delusional state this week on the aoteratoa rugby pod.
"If you look at the statistics we were ahead in them for three quarters of the game."
"You've got to look at Ireland dismantling Romania."
The guy has lost it.
I suspect the people working in those roles as part of their job have to try and keep the light shining , and keep pushing a positive narrative even when things look grim .
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@Tim said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Parsons in some weird reality denying, delusional state this week on the aoteratoa rugby pod.
"If you look at the statistics we were ahead in them for three quarters of the game."
"You've got to look at Ireland dismantling Romania."
The guy has lost it.
Isn't he employed by NZR? Hardly mr objective.
I like Aotearoa Pod but they are better when they are talking about non NZ rugby.
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@KiwiMurph He works as a player liaison for the NZ Players Association.
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@Steve said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@canefan said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Foster has hitched his wagon to BB and it is too late for changes barring injury. Jordan has been given no chance to try to give 15 a decent go, he will have to wait for Razor in 2024 like the rest of us
I just want us to select a team that makes the other team afraid of us.
Currently we are selecting teams on the basis that we are afraid of them.
DMAC, Roigard, Samisoni, Jordan at 15 are points of difference. Puzzles to be solved by the other team.
But we aren't using our bullets.
Hilarious. You name four players, only one of which is a forward and present that as an argument for resolving our inadequacies.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Spiro Zavos on the roar is right on the money about the abs
Hilarious nonsense. He's calling for Ardie to play openside for the All Blacks, despite the fact he doesn't even play that position in SR and hasn't for years. Quoting Spiro makes any argument ridiculous.
Perhaps there’s an alternate view that Savea can and does play 8 in SR because it’s not Test Rugby
Unfortunately the RWC is Test rugby, not SR.
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@antipodean It would be somewhat ironic if Australia make the SF, or even final of this RWC. I know that is a big if.
Their pool doesn't have France in it, but it does have competitive teams in Fiji and Wales. Wales being coached by a guy who seemingly knows what it takes to get to SFs.
That would suggest that there is nothing inherently wrong with SR, but more with the selection and coaching of the NZ national team (given their SR players smack the hell out of Australian players week in and week out in SR).
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean It would be somewhat ironic if Australia make the SF, or even final of this RWC. I know that is a big if.
Where's the irony?
Their pool doesn't have France in it, but it does have competitive teams in Fiji and Wales. Wales being coached by a guy who seemingly knows what it takes to get to SFs.
That would suggest that there is nothing inherently wrong with SR, but more with the selection and coaching of the NZ national team (given their SR players smack the hell out of Australian players week in and week out in SR).
Australia has a reasonably competitive 23, but in SR they're spread amongst five teams.
The Wallabies have the benefit of an easy draw into the finals. Wales came into the RWC ranked 10th. If that's not a guaranteed path to a quarterfinal, I don't know what is.
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@antipodean QF should be the minimum they are after. Same as ABs.
To get to the SF, they will need to play Eng, Arg or Samoa.
To get to the final, they will need to beat one of NZ, France, Ire, SA or (unlikely) Sco. If they can win that SF, all I was saying is that SR is not the sole reason NZ aren’t playing great rugby right now.
Sometimes less is more when you’re trying to forge a team. Especially one that doesn’t break under mental and physical pressure in a knockout competition.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean QF should be the minimum they are after. Same as ABs.
To get to the SF, they will need to play Eng, Arg or Samoa.
Two of those three they should be confident of winning against. With luck Farrell would be back and I think England are worse for him being there. Australia are a jammy team when it comes to RWCs.
To get to the final, they will need to beat one of NZ, France, Ire, SA or (unlikely) Sco. If they can win that SF, all I was saying is that SR is not the sole reason NZ aren’t playing great rugby right now.
I didn't suggest it was, so I find it confusing why you're arguing that point in response to me.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Steve said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@canefan said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Foster has hitched his wagon to BB and it is too late for changes barring injury. Jordan has been given no chance to try to give 15 a decent go, he will have to wait for Razor in 2024 like the rest of us
I just want us to select a team that makes the other team afraid of us.
Currently we are selecting teams on the basis that we are afraid of them.
DMAC, Roigard, Samisoni, Jordan at 15 are points of difference. Puzzles to be solved by the other team.
But we aren't using our bullets.
Hilarious. You name four players, only one of which is a forward and present that as an argument for resolving our inadequacies.
Yeah this is all getting a bit ridiculous. The glaring weaknesses and fůck ups on the weekend were in the forwards. The idea that the path to victory lies in ditching the 15 for the 14 who was a bees dick from getting himself sent off, and selecting a reserve 9 who has played less than a half a test is fanciful at best. I mean you can't watch that game against France and claim with a straight face that we'd have won the game if only we'd had a better 15 and reserve 9. I'm not saying BB or ginga had blinders, far from it, but it's simply scapegoating at this point.
Roigard looks like a very good prospect but our record setting coach fucked any possibility of testing him prior to the RWC. I mean I don't even see the point of bringing him to the RWC if he can't potentially start at test. Webber is no Smith but is at least dependable.
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That is not what posters in the thread were saying, but going through and saying what can be changed. And Finau (a forward) was mentioned as well. Plus tactics. AND BB was playing as a hybrid 15/10, not just a 15.
