RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6, RM was just given the 10 job this year, props late last year, centers mid to late last year, wings this year and who knows what the phuck the game plan is. We do know that whatever game plan they put out, a team with half a brain and an average to decent boot will hump us.
That's maybe because we don'or aren't producing players of the calibre of McCaw, Carter (all time greats) and Kaino etc etc at super level and below. Though I believe we are getting close to seeing a few real WC players coming up , enough for us to dominate like we did from 2011-2016 I doubt, but it is up to point a cycle.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Listening to Steve Devine yesterday ,
He was wondering if they are holding something back for the 1/4s ,
He thought the game was there to be won but they didn’t go for it,
In other words what he is really saying ,the tactics were so bad he is hoping they weren’t deliberate 😀
Devine was an AB so should know his stuff, but is this really a thing? Do players in that situation actually go, yeah we can win this but let's not try very hard because quarters?
Yes.
You see it every year in Super rugby. Crusaders lost 4 games this year - but, none in the play-offs.
Hmm. I reckon that's a tad different. The Saders routinely select a team of reserves for those games and roll the dice. No big deal. But this is the RWC. Did they not want to win this and "kept their powder dry" TM to just phone it in and give the appearance of trying? Were they instructed not to bother chasing the game? That would appear strange because they were pretty desperate to score at the end there.
In any case, based on the last 4 years I'm not sure what this side would suddenly have done different to win if they'd really wanted to.
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@Tim said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Savea and Papalii did a lot of cleanout work, making up for the awful efforts from the tight forwards.
Paps cleanouts...I must have watched a different game
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Yeah I did see any of those clean outs by DP.
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Papalii has struggled for form all year - both Choat and Segner showed more for the Blues this year.
I know Leon hinted at an issue Dalton was having earlier this year (ribs?) I'm not sure if that's playing a part but as a 7 he doesn't disrupt / turn over enough ball.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Listening to Steve Devine yesterday ,
He was wondering if they are holding something back for the 1/4s ,
He thought the game was there to be won but they didn’t go for it,
In other words what he is really saying ,the tactics were so bad he is hoping they weren’t deliberate 😀
Devine was an AB so should know his stuff, but is this really a thing? Do players in that situation actually go, yeah we can win this but let's not try very hard because quarters?
Yes.
You see it every year in Super rugby. Crusaders lost 4 games this year - but, none in the play-offs.
Hmm. I reckon that's a tad different. The Saders routinely select a team of reserves for those games and roll the dice. No big deal. But this is the RWC. Did they not want to win this and "kept their powder dry" TM to just phone it in and give the appearance of trying? Were they instructed not to bother chasing the game? That would appear strange because they were pretty desperate to score at the end there.
In any case, based on the last 4 years I'm not sure what this side would suddenly have done different to win if they'd really wanted to.
I doubt it would be about not trying , it would be more about gearing their training to peak in the finals . And potentially holding things back they have been practicing and sticking to a plan a .
But I’m Not advocating it did happen. Not this team because it looked all too familiar anyway. -
@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
G’day mate, whatever people think of Jabobsen - he is still a loose forward and picked to perform as one.
Whoever thought Vaai was up to playing as a 6 in this match really needs to be questioned.
We have had a problem at 6 since Kaino retired and have had c.70 test matches in that time to find 2 suitable players who can do the job.
I know Frizzell was injured but to get to the point we’re we have to put a young inexperienced light lock (who plays 10kgs lighter than he actually is) in our starting lineup show we have completely squandered a chance develop quality and depth in a know problem position.
If Jacobsen can’t be trusted and we have to play the above player then I really question the point of bringing him in the first place.
And on that; why bring in another player who can't fold fluffybunnies or bend the line? If you needed another loose forward then wasn't that Finau given the injury to our first choice and Vaai's demonstrated inadequacy for the role?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
RM was just given the 10 job this year, props late last year, centers mid to late last year, wings this year
So you're upset the selectors are picking based on form?
and who knows what the phuck the game plan is.
Really? You can't grasp the basic way they want to play?
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Listening to Steve Devine yesterday ,
He was wondering if they are holding something back for the 1/4s ,
He thought the game was there to be won but they didn’t go for it,
In other words what he is really saying ,the tactics were so bad he is hoping they weren’t deliberate 😀
Devine was an AB so should know his stuff, but is this really a thing? Do players in that situation actually go, yeah we can win this but let's not try very hard because quarters?
Yes.
You see it every year in Super rugby. Crusaders lost 4 games this year - but, none in the play-offs.
Hmm. I reckon that's a tad different. The Saders routinely select a team of reserves for those games and roll the dice. No big deal. But this is the RWC. Did they not want to win this and "kept their powder dry" TM to just phone it in and give the appearance of trying? Were they instructed not to bother chasing the game? That would appear strange because they were pretty desperate to score at the end there.
In any case, based on the last 4 years I'm not sure what this side would suddenly have done different to win if they'd really wanted to.
I doubt it would be about not trying , it would be more about gearing their training to peak in the finals . And potentially holding things back they have been practicing and sticking to a plan a .
Exactly.
In 2011, we beat France 37-17 in Pool play and 8-7 in the Final.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
pretty damning that 1.5 really good games in 28 tests over 5 years make someone a clear fav
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Really? You can't grasp the basic way they want to play?
I can Fucking headless chicken kicking,Passive forwards and dropping the ball on attack,Playing the majority of the Game in our own half with big moments of that inside our 22.Looks like a winning formula to me.
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@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
pretty damning that 1.5 really good games in 28 tests over 5 years make someone a clear fav
Sure. He's hit the form we're after and I remain mystified that it's somehow the fault of the selectors no one up until this point has played well enough.
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@antipodean Well Akira and Luatua were both not selected when they should have been, and in a different world one of them could be there now.
it's also the locking in of both Cane and Savea - by the selectors - which very much narrows down the type of player that is appropriate for us to play at 8 - so they have cut down the options there too.
'we must have a big lump at 6, but we won't select our two best big lumps - oh not our fault the cupboard is bare, let's bring in blackadder, another guy who should really be playing 7' -
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
pretty damning that 1.5 really good games in 28 tests over 5 years make someone a clear fav
Sure. He's hit the form we're after and I remain mystified that it's somehow the fault of the selectors no one up until this point has played well enough.
Wot? You don't think it's the selectors who are the coaches that are responsible?
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@reprobate said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean Well Akira and Luatua were both not selected when they should have been, and in a different world one of them could be there now.
Luatua last played in 2016.
it's also the locking in of both Cane and Savea - by the selectors - which very much narrows down the type of player that is appropriate for us to play at 8 - so they have cut down the options there too.
I've long lamented that we continue to select Ardie at eight.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
RM was just given the 10 job this year, props late last year, centers mid to late last year, wings this year
So you're upset the selectors are picking based on form?
and who knows what the phuck the game plan is.
Really? You can't grasp the basic way they want to play?
The phuck are you on about? It's been a phucking merry go round at 10 for the last 4 years. Havili has largely been shit at 12 and was forced to go with JB due to injury.
Explain the game plan? Gary Owens from your own 22? Hope is not a game plan.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
This RWC cycle is a result of the late 2016 Hansen side. 8 years later, we still don't now our best 6,
Clearly Frizell based on this year.
pretty damning that 1.5 really good games in 28 tests over 5 years make someone a clear fav
Sure. He's hit the form we're after and I remain mystified that it's somehow the fault of the selectors no one up until this point has played well enough.
Wot? You don't think it's the selectors who are the coaches that are responsible?
No, I'm not stupid enough to think that coaches can magically turn players into Jerome Kaino. As our current forward's coach readily admits.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Listening to Steve Devine yesterday ,
He was wondering if they are holding something back for the 1/4s ,
He thought the game was there to be won but they didn’t go for it,
In other words what he is really saying ,the tactics were so bad he is hoping they weren’t deliberate 😀
Devine was an AB so should know his stuff, but is this really a thing? Do players in that situation actually go, yeah we can win this but let's not try very hard because quarters?
Yes.
You see it every year in Super rugby. Crusaders lost 4 games this year - but, none in the play-offs.
Hmm. I reckon that's a tad different. The Saders routinely select a team of reserves for those games and roll the dice. No big deal. But this is the RWC. Did they not want to win this and "kept their powder dry" TM to just phone it in and give the appearance of trying? Were they instructed not to bother chasing the game? That would appear strange because they were pretty desperate to score at the end there.
In any case, based on the last 4 years I'm not sure what this side would suddenly have done different to win if they'd really wanted to.
I doubt it would be about not trying , it would be more about gearing their training to peak in the finals . And potentially holding things back they have been practicing and sticking to a plan a .
Exactly.
In 2011, we beat France 37-17 in Pool play and 8-7 in the Final.
Tbf that's against the French and their weird arse mindset. I also reckon that with Dan Carter the score would have been at least 20 plus. Possibly more if the French then checked out.
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@antipodean you're right but they are responsible for coming up with a gameplan to suit the players we have rather than just selecting people...telling them to be Kaino and then just wondering if they cant
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Explain the game plan? Gary Owens from your own 22? Hope is not a game plan.
of course it is....very much in the playbook as a viable option if we dont break out within a couple of phases
